Rhino 8 UI panel-related woes

[anon (am)]

Hi, I think the best course of action is to start a new thread. I would classify these issues as worse than papercuts. Again, if it sounds like I’m just complaining, I don’t know of a better way on the forums to bring it to the right people’s attention than to post, and I’m tossing my time into it in the hope that someone will notice and make it all better.

1. Right click menus still size wrong, then resize themselves (Rhino 8 UI "Show Toolbars..."/Libraries right click bug)

2. I am having a lot of trouble keeping my sanity trying to get these ****ing panels to dock like I feel they should. Accidentally drag and hold anything and I run the risk of ruining my workspace. Just stuff jumping and hopping everywhere when you dislodge a thing, but then to restore it you have to carefully navigate to the purple MIDDLE of the docking position, release, then hope you got it right after release. Can’t trust that you did it right when releasing the mouse. Ruining sounds dramatic, but it is honestly hard to undo an inadvertent dislodging. Maybe you all have better computers or brains than I do. Some of the UI moves require a lot of precision, but some require you to totally approximate what you want to see by doing the purple transitional docking and hope it shows up right after release.

3. Too many pixels around and between right click options from a panel tab. (Is this a Mac-style thing?) By too many, I’d guess around 12? No need for that kind of padding, especially when you have to move the mouse through invisible padding to get to the text boundary to click on.

4. Tab drag preview position is wrong unless you click on the left side of it. If you grab the right side of a tab and try to drag it, the drag preview displays as if you clicked the left side. This is surprising behavior and misleads the user.

Before anyone says so, I know, learning curve, you’ll get used to it, etc. But I expect more from Rhino than what feels like a new, half-baked version of Rhino working against me. I really do want it to succeed instead.

SystemInfo

Rhino 8 SR4 2024-1-23 (Rhino 8, 8.4.24023.15001, Git hash:master @ e0f90d20c78f2125a0ec9cfffc9d9decbc052c01)
License type: Evaluation, build 2024-01-23
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2024-03-04

Windows 10 (10.0.17134 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 16GB)
.NET 7.0.0

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [95% battery remaining]

Non-hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 12-1-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 537.99
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 12-1-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 537.99
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port

Secondary graphics devices.
Intel(R) UHD Graphics P630 (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 2-18-2021 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 3 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device. Laptop lid is probably closed

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 12-1-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.15.3799
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 4 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.4.24023.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\WebBrowser.rhp “WebBrowser”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.4.24023.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.4.24023.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.4.24023.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\IronPython\RhinoDLR_Python.rhp “IronPython” 8.4.24023.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.4.24023.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Grasshopper\GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 8.4.24023.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.4.24023.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.4.24023.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

[jari1 (Jari)]

I´m having a real hard time with the toolbars too.

Can not get anything snapped under the left side, and it took 15 minutes to get the standard toolbar to where it is.

[anon (am)]

Here’s an example to illustrate the punishment replete in the R8 panel logic and implementation as I complained about in #2 above.

I wanted to find more “panels” to explore, so I right click on some gray blank area on the Layers “container” expecting a dropdown. No response. Then I tried again but inadvertently right clicked twice and, surprise, it dislodged the whole “container” into a floater. New size, new appearance, grab bar a different color than the dead gray I double clicked in.

That means I have to grab the correct (better hope I grab the correct shade of gray this time) and drag the window - that now looks different than the one I just accidentally dislodged - halfway down the screen into a sensitive purple highlighted area and HOPE I chose the right purple area to release the mouse in which is ALSO previewed at a new size, not that of the panel’s starting position.

There are many things wrong with this process. I have some suggestions to address some of them.

-give us a way to undo accidental panel dislodging
-if there are to be dead areas in the panels that are designed to prevent dropdown menus for some reason, give it a special dead color and be consistent in preventing all clicking responses. Otherwise open it up for dropdowns like most other places in the UI.
-give us a Panels command (there are already Toolbars and jargon like PackageManager and Containers) to show command line entry for items shown in the Windows > Panels menu

[Helvetosaur]

@anon

give us a way to undo accidental panel dislodging

Well, it used to be a discrete menu item a long time ago, but that’s gone in V8, the command still exists though:

ToolbarLock

Also here:

@anon

inadvertently right clicked twice and, surprise, it dislodged the whole “container” into a floater

Yep, I found this one too, by accidentally double right-clicking on the 4-dot thingy on a docked toolbar awhile back - I don’t know why it was programmed that way.

[anon (am)]

@anon

-give us a way to undo accidental panel dislodging
-if there are to be dead areas in the panels that are designed to prevent dropdown menus for some reason, give it a special dead color and be consistent in preventing all clicking responses. Otherwise open it up for dropdowns like most other places in the UI.
-give us a Panels command (there are already Toolbars and jargon like PackageManager and Containers) to show command line entry for items shown in the Windows > Panels menu

Any responses to the original post and these suggestions?

Thanks

[anon (am)]

Ok. Here are some more:

5. Every time I open R8, the Linetypes panel window that shows the linetype selections themselves shrinks more and more. This appears to be the minimum after 3 R8 starts.

6. A serious amounts of screen pixels are squandered on squiggly lines. Looks like 22-ish pixels above and below the linetype name, so 44 superfluous pixels for every row. There is no need for all this padding. It is no good to force the user to hover, click and/or scroll to reveal the available linetypes.

Please format it in a simpler list format, like Layers for example, or at least give us an advanced option to do so.

SystemInfo

Rhino 8 SR4 2024-1-30 (Rhino 8, 8.4.24030.15001, Git hash:master @ 97577baf4e4ae40c7f2ed3ef4e802db24f2e82ae)
License type: Evaluation, build 2024-01-30
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2024-03-04

Windows 10 (10.0.17134 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 16GB)
.NET 7.0.0

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [96% battery remaining]

Non-hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 12-1-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 537.99
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 12-1-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 537.99
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port

Secondary graphics devices.
Intel(R) UHD Graphics P630 (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 2-18-2021 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 3 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device. Laptop lid is probably closed

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 12-1-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.15.3799
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 4 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.4.24030.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\WebBrowser.rhp “WebBrowser”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.4.24030.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.4.24030.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.4.24030.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.4.24030.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.4.24030.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.4.24030.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

[anon (am)]

Hi, this might not be a surprise on the developer end but FYI, #1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 are still present and appear unaltered after upgrading to 8.4.24037.15001 today.

SystemInfo

Rhino 8 SR4 2024-2-6 (Rhino 8, 8.4.24037.15001, Git hash:master @ bee9cb852c752350676ca6bc7f3f6946b5bbc6b7)
License type: Evaluation, build 2024-02-06
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2024-03-04

Windows 10 (10.0.17134 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 16GB)
.NET 7.0.0

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [100% battery remaining]

Non-hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 12-1-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 537.99
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 12-1-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 537.99
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port

Secondary graphics devices.
Intel(R) UHD Graphics P630 (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 2-18-2021 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 3 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device. Laptop lid is probably closed

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 12-1-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.15.3799
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 4 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.4.24037.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\WebBrowser.rhp “WebBrowser”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.4.24037.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.4.24037.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.4.24037.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.4.24037.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.4.24037.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.4.24037.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

[anon (am)]

Here’s another one.

7. If Selection Filters is arranged horizontally, checking Sub-objects on and off moves its position (because Points, Curves, and Surfaces become Points/Vertices, Curves/Edges, and Surfaces/Faces when it’s acivated), so you can’t turn it on and off without moving the mouse to find it again.

Suggestions:
-the checkbox text options be abbreviated and/or be fixed to a shorter width (like OSnaps almost are)
-keyboard entry for Selection Filter items

[anon (am)]

8. Is it correct that “panels” are able to exist more than once in the workspace? Here’s me creating several copies of the Layers panel. Seems to be true for other panels I tried too. (I guess you can have one unique panel per “container”, and the gray space along the right side of my R8 window must be one?)

If this is intentional behavior, I suggest a change: it’s smarter to right click, Show Panels, find the desired panel, if it’s checked/already exists in the workspace, left click to activate it wherever it already is instead of being able to create indefinite duplicates.

SystemInfo-Rhino 8 SR5 2024-2-13

Rhino 8 SR5 2024-2-13 (Rhino 8, 8.5.24044.18001, Git hash:master @ 3070dad8e8cced9e1b333ad92cd445f22730c23e)
License type: Evaluation, build 2024-02-13
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2024-03-04

Windows 10 (10.0.17134 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 16GB)
.NET 7.0.0

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [100% battery remaining]

Non-hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 12-1-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 537.99
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 12-1-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 537.99
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port

Secondary graphics devices.
Intel(R) UHD Graphics P630 (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 2-18-2021 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 3 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device. Laptop lid is probably closed

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 12-1-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.15.3799
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 4 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.5.24044.18001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\WebBrowser.rhp “WebBrowser”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.5.24044.18001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.5.24044.18001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.5.24044.18001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.5.24044.18001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.5.24044.18001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.5.24044.18001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

[anon (am)]

9. Something about R8 UI is sluggish, slow to respond and harder to read than R7 for me. Here’s me right clicking a blank spot in Layers in R8, then R7.

For me, R7 text is clearer, uses less pixel padding (which just hinders legibility in general for no benefit), and menus respond almost as fast as I can click.

Would I ever realistically right click as often as I do in this video? No. But I do right click with the expectation of an instant reaction, and then…

10. …hope I have keyboard shortcuts underlined in that RMB menu so I can fire off a selection with a single keyboard stroke. This functionality, sadly, seems to be disappearing from Rhino. Is that intentional? We should preserve it instead.

[Gijs (Gijs de Zwart)]

@anon

If Selection Filters is arranged horizontally, checking Sub-objects on and off moves its position (because Points, Curves, and Surfaces become Points/Vertices, Curves/Edges, and Surfaces/Faces when it’s acivated), so you can’t turn it on and off without moving the mouse to find it again.

I see that. The way it was in Rhino 7 isn’t ideal either with the big spaces.

@anon

-keyboard entry for Selection Filter items

you could add this small pythonscript to a button to toggle the state:

import Rhino
Rhino.ApplicationSettings.SelectionFilterSettings.SubObjectSelect=not(Rhino.ApplicationSettings.SelectionFilterSettings.SubObjectSelect)

@anon

Is it correct that “panels” are able to exist more than once in the workspace?

yes

@anon

if it’s checked/already exists in the workspace, left click to activate it wherever it already is instead of being able to create indefinite duplicates.

In principle, that is what happens when you are running the command that shows the panel you are looking for.

@anon

Something about R8 UI is sluggish, slow to respond and harder to read than R7 for me. Here’s me right clicking a blank spot in Layers in R8, then R7.

I don’t see that behavior here, I also don’t get the ghosting I see in your video.

[anon (am)]

@Gijs

@anon

If Selection Filters is arranged horizontally, checking Sub-objects on and off moves its position (because Points, Curves, and Surfaces become Points/Vertices, Curves/Edges, and Surfaces/Faces when it’s acivated), so you can’t turn it on and off without moving the mouse to find it again.

I see that. The way it was in Rhino 7 isn’t ideal either with the big spaces.

I have an idea. Why couldn’t the panel’s checkboxes be more collapsible with less space, or have different compression levels of its terms?

OSnaps already start off with its own abbreviations (“End”, “Mid”, Perp" etc). Offhand, maybe Selection Filter’s could be something like Pt, Crv, Srf, PSrf, Subd, Mesh, Anno, Lit, Blk, CtlPt, PtCld, Hat, SubO, Disable.

Then an extreme compression version could be a display of the single unique letter for each option already offered in the command line:

[anon (am)]

New bummers as of 8.7 (8.7.24101.10001)

Open Rhino, draw a line, change the linetype of the layer. Then I accidentally dislodged the rightmost “container”, redocked it and the Standard (I think?) toolbar/panel/I’m not sure what to call it appeared docked on the left side of the window. I do not use this toolbar. I managed to undock it and now I cannot close it.

I did some right clicking around the UI to see if that floating toolbar/panel/I’m not sure what to call it could be identified, or unchecked to close it, and somehow it’s now a different menu. I don’t know which. View? Something? I can only promise you guys that I did not make this change intentionally. I don’t use this menu so I don’t know what it is, and I don’t see a way to identify it.

I am afraid to right click on places trying to unroll a menu to tell me what toolbars exist because if I do it too quickly, the UI registers a double right click and still dislodges the whole container into a floater. I overcame that fear once I found a darker gray bar on the right side of the window, but it doesn’t seem to tell me that said floating container on the left exists.

This is one issue of many I noticed just opening the new version. There are more. I do not have time to commit to many more posts at this point.

Can we just nuke the whole UI and start over?

Summary

Rhino 8 SR7 2024-4-10 (Rhino 8, 8.7.24101.10001, Git hash:master @ 2b50f55c58918e10b4e2d13323128fce6021b72c)
License type: Commercial, build 2024-04-10
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 10 (10.0.17134 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 16GB)
.NET 7.0.0

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [100% battery remaining]

Non-hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 2-15-2024 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 551.61
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 2-15-2024 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 551.61
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port

Secondary graphics devices.
Intel(R) UHD Graphics P630 (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 2-18-2021 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 3 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device. Laptop lid is probably closed

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 2-15-2024
Driver Version: 31.0.15.5161
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 4 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.7.24101.10001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\WebBrowser.rhp “WebBrowser”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.7.24101.10001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.7.24101.10001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.7.24101.10001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.7.24101.10001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.7.24101.10001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

[Gijs (Gijs de Zwart)]

hi @anon I see this. Thanks for reporting.
For now the only way to fix that seems to be to reset your Window Layout.
RH-81506 Main toolbar detaching looses its container top bar

[brian (Brian Gillespie)]

RH-81506 is fixed in Rhino 8 Service Release 7 Release Candidate

[anon (am)]

Thanks, but I’m not so sure. I reset my window layout per @Gijs’s recommendation but this just happened when I detached the last toolbar docked on the left - I also can’t confirm its identity. Now I can’t get rid of it.

I have to say, Rhino 8 is still driving me insane. I’m still using R7 because of a myriad of issues in R8 that plague my attempts to work.

Thanks

SystemInfo

Rhino 8 SR7 2024-4-16 (Rhino 8, 8.7.24107.13001, Git hash:master @ aa01e3b9820d84a48c2a812d24f0cf42379ee3d8)
License type: Commercial, build 2024-04-16
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 10 (10.0.17134 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 16GB)
.NET 7.0.0

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [100% battery remaining]

Non-hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 2-15-2024 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 551.61
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 2-15-2024 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 551.61
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port

Secondary graphics devices.
Intel(R) UHD Graphics P630 (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 2-18-2021 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 3 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device. Laptop lid is probably closed

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 2-15-2024
Driver Version: 31.0.15.5161
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 4 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.7.24107.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\WebBrowser.rhp “WebBrowser”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoScript.rhp “RhinoScript”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\IdleProcessor.rhp “IdleProcessor”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.7.24107.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.7.24107.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.7.24107.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.7.24107.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.7.24107.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

[Gijs (Gijs de Zwart)]

@anon I’m sorry but I don’t understand what that last screen cap is supposed to show. The issue mentioned is fixed as far as I can tell. When I detach the main toolbar it works as it should here:

[anon (am)]

@Gijs Thanks for looking into it. I’m jealous. Behold:

[Gijs (Gijs de Zwart)]

hmm that’s odd. Do you often run into this or do you often want to detach that toolbar? I’m really puzzled why this bug persists on your system.

[anon (am)]

I guess I’ve been noticing it since my first post about it in 8.7.

I can’t say there’s an often, because R8 is still too buggy for me to be productive, so I’m staying on R7 to do actual work until further notice. I know I do want to detach that toolbar and get rid of it, and I also don’t want to see UI stuff on the left side of my window.