Section Tools: Placement of Clipping Drawing

[nsgma]

Hi @wim
I managed to layout my drawing reasonably well but now one of them got placed on one layout with an apparently random scale. I cannot get it out.
I tried to place the new drawing in the same place (the Detail views were already all layouted) but while yesterday I could place the drawing on a precise location, now it seems that the insertion point is another one.

1. What is the way of placing the drawing on a location after the firs time?
2. How can I place the Section on a different CPlane than Top? This is really important in section/elevations

Thanks N

[rajaa (Rajaa Issa)]

@nsgma can you share your example please?
Also, what service release are you using?

[nsgma]

Hi @rajaa
Wim separated that particular post from 10 days ago (I think I updated R8 at least once since then) -my the current version is Version 8 SR4 (8.4.24030.15001, 2024-01-30)

However, that post was part of a longer and more detailed set of issues/problems and I do not know specifically what example you are asking for. The subject chosen can also be interpreted in a couple of ways.

If you are talking about the placing of the drawing on the layout, we have concluded that it happened when the section layers are unlocked and clipping planes are updated while on a detail space.

If you are talking about one of the itemized points, their are sort of requests that have no example and the reasons for some of them where expanded later in that thread.

Here are some links:

Vector Output - a wish

I’m not sure what’s going on in that picture. Can you post the file? Hi @wim , I was trying to reply your comment above and planning to start another thread on that subject, while adding a few more issues. In doing so, I found some puzzling things. I have a group of clipping planes that is giving me a few issues on a project. Since I cannot post that model publicly, I decided to delete the geometry in question just keeping the clipping planes and add the sphere model above… It took me a…

Vector Output - a wish

@wim @Eugen a quick question is there a way of including drawing in the dynamic section? Meaning, we sometimes have 2D backgrounds that should appear on the plans or elevations but that are not caught by the dynamic drawings. N

Vector Output - a wish

Hi Wim, an update on some of the problems above. I don’t know why but all the sections and plans that I have done last week became dead, meaning I can’t update them and I cannot edit them. That is why when I tried to use them for the sphere file, the were not updating. I have redone the problematic section described above and this time is correct. It is also the only drawing that updates, a.k.a. is not dead. I had to delete the previous sections layers by hand, because when I deleted the cli…

This last issue of “the sections becoming dead” has happened again yesterday after a crash while updating drawings. This means that I’ll need to setup all the sections all over again.
Also it seems that the file saved while crashing because one of the drawings is updated, i.e. as the updated geometry, but is wrong as it seems that part of the background lines are doubled, with the double being slightly shifted out.

I cannot share the file publicly.
N

[rajaa (Rajaa Issa)]

Hi @nsgma Thank you for providing the detail. It is often hard to address many issues in one thread, and it is can be more productive to split them into multiple posts.
I’ll try to address the points you raised one at a time.

@Vector Output - a wish

I have a group of clipping planes that is giving me a few issues on a project. Since I cannot post that model publicly, I decided to delete the geometry in question just keeping the clipping planes and add the sphere model above

In the future, you are welcome to send your model directly to look into the issue.
There are many settings and workflows associated with clipping and sectioning in V8, and in general,

it will help if you can isolate a small example with a description of the steps and command settings so we can duplicate at our end.

@Vector Output - a wish

is there a way of including drawing in the dynamic section?

Yes, you should be able to addd (manually if you choose). I suppose you can add sublayer with the additional drawing data just not this will not dynamically update. Is that what you are asking?

@Vector Output - a wish

don’t know why but all the sections and plans that I have done last week became dead

I would be interested to see the file. You are saying that the same sections were “live”, then they became dead after closing, then opening the file? Or did it happen after editing the model. Again, for files you cannot share publicly, please send directly to us through support. Please include you SystemInfo.

It is painful when work is lost, and I want to be able to understand the problems as they arise. We will appreciate your time to help us reproduce any issues so we can fix them.

[rajaa (Rajaa Issa)]

@nsgma

I managed to layout my drawing reasonably well but now one of them got placed on one layout with an apparently random scale. I cannot get it out.

I can’t tell the issue until I see the file. Can you provide a simplified example, or send directly to us via support@mcneel.com?

You are probably using this anyway, but I thought it might be useful to point out the general workflow to create clipping sections and drawings:

• Use ClippingSections command to create your sections. Make sure to set them to sectioning through specific objects or layers in your model.
• Use ClippingDrawings command to create your drawings (with or without background - if you exclude background, drawings will update much faster, but you can always turn the background on again at any time using EditClippingSections command).
• Place your drawings on top view, and not in layout (you can always turn off the drawing layers in model space, and turn on in specific detail in your layout if you wish).
• If you move or edit the clipping-plane of your section, then the drawings update dynamically, otherwise, you need to run UpdateClippingDrawings as needed once you finish updating the model.
• You can extract static copies of your sections using NestedClippingSections command.
• You can extract in-place sections (in their true 3D location) using ExtractClippingSections command (supports history, so it can be dynamic, but limited by history constraints)

I hope this helps.

[nsgma]

Hi Rajaa,
Appreciate the workflow and the last two step I had not figure our yet.
I realize I had a lot o issues in that thread and I want to make a summary. I will reply in more detail later on.
On the “dead” sections I have a file that I can share with you confidentially later on.
I have to run,
N

[nsgma]

@rajaa , I uploaded a file to the support email. Have a look, please.
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[nsgma]

Hello @rajaa
A comment on the remove the background for speed. That’s a good idea, but I just realized that you need to turn the backgrounds one sections at the time. if I use the ApplyToAll option, all the options of the current section are applied to all the sections, and not only the AddBackground. In my case, my 10 sections were just placed in the very same PlacementPoint after adding the background.
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[rajaa (Rajaa Issa)]

@nsgma

if I use the ApplyToAll option, all the options of the current section are applied to all the sections, and not only the AddBackground. In my case, my 10 sections were just placed in the very same PlacementPoint after adding the background.

I see the issue. I can see that unless the placement point is changes, all section drawings should retain their placement, even if ApplyToAll=Yes. I have to think about other options. Would it be reasonable to expect to update only the options that have been changed? I think the answer is yes, for your example. Added this wish to the list…