Rhino 8 UI inconsistencies with R7

[CallumSykes]

Thanks for the replies @Wiley,

@Wiley

Yes I do like the quick search function that R7 has

I’ll take a look into this, I’m assuming Windows?

@Wiley

the toolbar in rhino is not stable with different screen scaling setup and I would need to close and reopen the toolbar if the toolbar is positioned somewhere way out of the screen bound.

The toolbar appears in strange places and you want to move it onto the screen to a place that makes sense to you, I understand that. If it did not do this however, you would not need to move it?

@Wiley

My brain automatically associates it with the below tab, which is floating, movable and resizable window.

So it visually feels like you should be able to move it? And when you can’t it’s not very intuitive.
I’ll think about this as well.

@CallumSykes

Do you access this menu quite regularly? Turning toolbars and panels on and off? If you regularly reorganise your panels/toolbars WindowLayouts might be worth looking into.

I’d be curious to know more about if/why you frequently turn toolbars on/off and reoganise layouts and if this UI item is a daily pain point for you

[AndersDeleuran]

@Wiley

I am not a fan of the grip:

FWIW, you’re not alone with this one. I don’t know that the Rhino 7 gripper is better/prettier, but at least it disappears when one locks the docked windows:

Regression: Hide Container Grip Dots When Docked

Hi McNeelies, I find these container “grip dots” quite visually distracting/bloaty compared to the minimal Rhino 7 GUI. Would it be possible to hide them when “Locked Docked Containers” is turned on? Alternatively, turn them off entirely? Rhino 8 BETA: [2023-09-14 08_52_59-Rhino BETA - Top] Rhino 7: [2023-09-14 08_52_46-Untitled - Rhino 7 Educational - Top] Best, Anders

One can hide the dots, buts that’s hardly a solution (i.e. the large grip area is still there). This issue appears to be related (i.e. the headers do not disappear when locking docked windows):

Regression: Right Sidebar Headers/Labels

Hi McNeel, In Rhino 7 a docked right sidebar does not have headers/labels above the tabs: [2023-10-20 14_52_20-disappear at DuckDuckGo — Mozilla Firefox] While Rhino 8 now has these superfluous labels in docked mode: [2023-10-20 14_47_11-Rhino BETA - Perspective] That disappear when the containers are made floating: [2023-10-20 14_50_13-Rhino BETA - Perspective] Can you please add an option to also hide these labels when containers are docked? Thanks and best, Anders

All quite bloatey…

[Wiley]

@CallumSykes
Another bug on the dropdown.

There was no Enscape Toolbar initially.

After manually loading the Toolbar settings in options.

The Enscape toolbar shows up.

Also, the Enscape toolbar was not saved in the “preset of opened toolbars”, even though I opened it in my last session.

So to answer your question:

I’d be curious to know more about if/why you frequently turn toolbars on/off and reoganise layouts and if this UI item is a daily pain point for you

Until the Rhino UI stabilizes, it will continue to be a pain for me, and for many others

[JSchindler (John Schindler)]

I’ve seen it in some other products too, when the developers do not follow the principle, “Do not fix it if it ain’t broke”.
We’ve had a decent UI in Rhino 7 and before, easy to use and customize. Now the default layout is bad and every time we install a new license of Rhino we have to struggle to get something similar as we had in Rh. 7.

[CallumSykes]

@Wiley

Until the Rhino UI stabilizes, it will continue to be a pain for me, and for many others

Good to know

@Wiley

Another bug on the dropdown.

https://mcneel.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/RH-83630/Toolbar-does-not-appear-to-be-loaded-and-does-not

YouTrack’d and in my pile for diagnosis. Any chance of a SystemInfo.txt dump to add to the ticket @Wiley ?

Thanks for the bug report!

[CallumSykes]

@JSchindler

We’ve had a decent UI in Rhino 7 and before, easy to use and customize. Now the default layout is bad

I’m sorry Rhino 8 isn’t an improvement for you over Rhino 7. We are working to make it as good as, and better than Rhino 7 in every aspect.

@JSchindler

every time we install a new license of Rhino we have to struggle to get something similar as we had in Rh. 7.

Are WindowLayouts not performing correctly for you? If not I would like to log bugs if they don’t already exist so we can fix them.

[Wiley]

I’ve seen it in some other products too, when the developers do not follow the principle, “Do not fix it if it ain’t broke”.

You are welcome. I also want Rhino to succeed!

Rhino 8 SR9 2024-7-12 (Rhino 8, 8.9.24194.18121, Git hash:master @ 785b9fde79bb684d22aab317998f7195a8c27c14)
License type: Commercial, build 2024-07-12
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 10 (10.0.19045 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 64GB)
.NET 7.0.7

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [94% battery remaining]

Hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display: Intel(R) Iris(R) Xe Graphics (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 11-7-2023 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #1
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA RTX 5000 Ada Generation Laptop GPU (NVidia) Memory: 16GB, Driver date: 12-1-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 537.99
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Video pass-through to primary display device

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 12-1-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.15.3799
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 16376 MB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Reope\Rhino\MetricsMassing\MetricsMassing.rhp “MetricsMassing” 2.7.2.0
G:\A1_Technical\16. Landscape\05_LIBRARY\08_Scripts\Shape\net48\Shape.rhp “Shape” 1.0.0.0

C:\Program Files\Chaos Group\V-Ray\V-Ray for Rhinoceros 6\VRayForRhino.rhp “V-Ray for Rhino”
C:\Reope\Rhino\metrics\MetricsApp.rhp “MetricsApp” 2.7.2.1

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.9.24194.18121
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\AnimationTools.rhp “AnimationTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.9.24194.18121
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.9.24194.18121
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.9.24194.18121
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.9.24194.18121
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.9.24194.18121
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedPositions.rhp “Named Position”

[Wiley]

@CallumSykes

Today I found myself using the Lights and Lights tool, which I would rather be hidden normally so not to overcrowd the tab bar.

So yes, I think having a quick search function like Rhino 7 would speed up finding the toolbar among 100 others immensely.

[JSchindler (John Schindler)]

@CallumSykes

Are WindowLayouts not performing correctly for you? If not I would like to log bugs if they don’t already exist so we can fix them

This is the layout we like to work with. It is difficult to make it like this from the default one.
With previous default 2 default Main columns it was easy to explain the logical order of the toolbars to our students. With the three columns, this order is broken, so we have to customize it.
The docking of the Osnap and Filters toolbars in one horizontal line at the bottom is a real challenge.

[CallumSykes]

You should be able to save this layout and export it for others to use so you don’t have to recreate it each time.
Window > Window Layouts > Save Window Layout

[JSchindler (John Schindler)]

Will the saved and exported Windows Layout work on different computers with different screen resolutions?

[CallumSykes]

@JSchindler

Will the saved and exported Windows Layout work on different computers with different screen resolutions?

(I must confess I’ve not used it much), but you can share between win/mac and it should work seamlessly. At the very least it will avoid you toggling on/off many different panels and toolbars and their locations. It’s possible the layout won’t be exactly to your liking between different screen resolutions as things will scale, but it should save you quite a bit of work.

If it doesn’t work as you expect, I’d be happy to log bugs and see if any issues you find can’t be fixed.

[Wiley]

@stevebaer I am attaching my precious toolbar that I have been using for many years. I think this is the problem as it might carry lots of legacy settings from previous versions.

210129_WileyToolbar.rui (15.0 MB)

@CallumSykes
Is there any follow up on this?
It’s quite annoying the right click doesn’t call the menu.

[CallumSykes]

@Wiley

Is there any follow up on this?

If you mean the Right click to show toolbar/panels menu, it is awaiting testing, but will be in the 8.12 SR

[Wiley]

@CallumSykes

1. I was really surprised to see Rhino 8 use an overly dark grey as the accent color.
   

   

2. Also, the icon sizes are imho out of proportion.
   

Here is how Rhino 7 looks like which we all grew to love.

[davidcockey]

@Wiley

I was really surprised to see Rhino 8 use an overly dark grey as the accent color.

Options > Advanced and search for “color”
Result will be many colors for different parts of the interface and display, more than show in the image, below which you can customize as desired.

@Wiley

Here is how Rhino 7 looks like which we all grew to love.

“we all” - It is a fallacy to assume everyone shares your personal preferences.

[kitjmv (jmv)]

Hello, recently it has become possible to switch from one toolbar to another in a container using the mouse wheel, but I just realized that this does not work on containers placed on the right and left sides of the window.

[CallumSykes]

@kitjmv if you click the tab, can you scroll? I seem to be able to on Mac and Windows

[Rhino_Bulgaria (Bobi)]

1. These super distracting 4 dots on each docked tab bar must hide automatically, as well as the space they occupy (Rhino 7 style).
2. Tabs must be the same angular shape as in Rhino 7. Delete all rounded tabs forever.
3. Transparent docking preview must show the whole frame, just liie in Rhino 7.
4. Sliders must be thick and rectangular to improve thenease of use, not super slim and rounded.
5. Fix the lagging and improperly positioned mouse tooltips while howering over icons.
6. Some menus include text which is hard to read due to poorly chosen low contrast font relative to the background.
7. Allow middle mouse click to instantly open the assigned child tab bar (if any).
8. Bonus hint: Scrap the Rhino 8 UI and make Rhino 9’s UI same as Rhino 7’s.
9. Win!

[kitjmv (jmv)]

Hello @CallumSykes ,

I’m not sure we understand each other; it’s not about the click but the mouse wheel.
This is the continuation of this fix:

Mouse wheel on menu

RH-72232 is fixed in Rhino 8 Service Release 7 Release Candidate

(Sorry, I didn’t take the time to find it earlier. Maybe you can move the messages there.)