[R8 MAC] Graphics Performances

the_eraser · October 7, 2023, 11:16am

10/11/2023 update:

Please refer to the last posts to discuss open graphical issues on Rhino 8 for Mac, especially:

– Rendered mode performances
– SSAO behaviors

stevebaer · October 7, 2023, 4:39pm

Can you send me the 3dm file for the first video you posted? Also, is this running in any sort of customized display mode?

I would like to try and repeat this to get it fixed immediately.

the_eraser · October 8, 2023, 7:16am

Sent via PM.

No customized display mode.

Please consider doing something at least with standard Shaded mode; it’s still glitchy/flickering and with very low-quality lines. Not possible to work with on a daily professional basis.

the_eraser · October 8, 2023, 7:19am

Also, what about the other videos?
Why moving the camera in rendered/arctic views “blurries” the model?

tay.othman · October 8, 2023, 8:58pm

Also can you share system info to make sure there is no plugins acting up?

the_eraser · October 8, 2023, 10:31pm

Rhino 8 SR0 2023-10-5 (Rhino 8 BETA, 8.0.23278.13004, Git hash:master @ ef9b91f9bd9105fc36db6b03c7d47d3fd68a6bc6)
License type: Commercial, build 2023-10-05
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2023-11-19

Apple macOS Version 12.6.8 (Build 21G725) (Physical RAM: 16Gb)
Mac Model Identifier: MacBookPro18,3
Language: en
.NET 7.0.0

Metal GPU Family Apple 7
Metal GPU Family Common 3
Metal GPU Family Mac 2
Graphics processors
  Apple M1 Pro
    Color LCD (1512 x 982 @ 120.00Hz)

USB devices
  None

Bluetooth devices
  None

Third party kernel extensions
  None

Third party plugins
  /Library/Frameworks/3DconnexionClient.framework/Versions/A/3DconnexionClient
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftAppKit.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCore.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreData.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreFoundation.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreGraphics.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreImage.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftDarwin.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftDispatch.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftFoundation.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftIOKit.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftMetal.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftObjectiveC.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftQuartzCore.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftXPC.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswift_Concurrency.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftos.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCloudKit.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreLocation.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCryptoTokenKit.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftContacts.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftAccelerate.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreAudio.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreML.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreMedia.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftOSLog.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftVision.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftsimd.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftNetwork.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftDemangle.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftFileProvider.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftIntents.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftPrivate_BiomePubSub.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftPrivate_BiomeStreams.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftUniformTypeIdentifiers.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftAVFoundation.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreMIDI.dylib
  /usr/lib/log/liblog_network.dylib


Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhMaterialEditor.framework	"Renderer Development Kit"	8.0.23278.1002
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Commands.rhp	"Commands"	8.0.23278.13004
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/PlugIns/NamedSnapshots.rhp	"Snapshots"	8.0.23278.1002
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCodePlugin.rhp	"RhinoCodePlugin"	8.0.23278.13004
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RDK_EtoUI.rhp	"RDK_EtoUI"	8.0.23278.13004
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/MeshCommands.rhp	"MeshCommands"	8.0.23278.13004
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoRenderCycles.rhp	"Rhino Render"	8.0.23278.13004
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCycles.rhp	"RhinoCycles"	8.0.23278.13004
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/PlugIns/SectionTools.rhp	"SectionTools"	8.0.23278.1002
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/PlugIns/Displacement.rhp	"Displacement"	8.0.23278.1002
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/PlugIns/PanelingTools.rhp	"PanelingTools"	8.0.23278.1002
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoDLR_Python.rhp	"IronPython"	8.0.23278.13004
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/GrasshopperPlugin.rhp	"Grasshopper"	8.0.23278.13004

stevebaer · October 9, 2023, 4:29am

You’re setup looks more than adequate to run Rhino 8.

This happens in Rhino 7 as well. These display modes use screen space ambient occlusion (SSAO) which is expensive and slows frame rates. When moving the camera, Rhino uses a much lower quality SSAO which is why the views look a bit more blurry. We probably have a slightly different kind of blurry in Rhino 8, but it is done for the same reason.

The first and second video look like different versions of the same bug. I am investigating this now and will hopefully have a fix this week.

Gijs · October 9, 2023, 7:41am

@stevebaer I do see a big difference here between Rhino 7 and 8 on Mac. In 7 it gets slightly more grainy when moving the camera, and this is the same in Rhino 7 and 8 on Windows. But on 8, it looks more like the lighting changes significantly, I think this is what @the_eraser is referring to.

the_eraser · October 9, 2023, 11:41am

This is a model view with Rhino v7 running under Rosetta:

And this is the same model with Rhino v8 with Metal:

Both in default Shaded mode.

Rhino v8 examples of line artifacts:

@stevebaer is already in possession of this .3dm file.

My system infos are:

Rhino 8 SR0 2023-10-5 (Rhino 8 BETA, 8.0.23278.13004, Git hash:master @ ef9b91f9bd9105fc36db6b03c7d47d3fd68a6bc6)
License type: Commercial, build 2023-10-05
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2023-11-19

Apple macOS Version 12.6.8 (Build 21G725) (Physical RAM: 16Gb)
Mac Model Identifier: MacBookPro18,3
Language: en
.NET 7.0.0

Metal GPU Family Apple 7
Metal GPU Family Common 3
Metal GPU Family Mac 2
Graphics processors
  Apple M1 Pro
    BenQ GW2480 (1920 x 1080 @ 60.00Hz)
    Color LCD (1512 x 982 @ 120.00Hz)

USB devices
  Generic: Mass Storage Device
  Realtek: USB 10/100/1000 LAN
  Fresco Logic, Inc: Generic Billboard Device
  RME: Babyface Pro (73002943)

Bluetooth devices
  None

Third party kernel extensions
  de.rme-audio.driver.RMEFirefaceUSB (15) 914D1606-68B2-340B-B3C5-02511104C2F8

Third party plugins
  /Library/Frameworks/3DconnexionClient.framework/Versions/A/3DconnexionClient
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftAppKit.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCore.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreData.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreFoundation.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreGraphics.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreImage.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftDarwin.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftDispatch.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftFoundation.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftIOKit.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftMetal.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftObjectiveC.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftQuartzCore.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftXPC.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswift_Concurrency.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftos.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCloudKit.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreLocation.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCryptoTokenKit.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftContacts.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftAccelerate.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreAudio.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreML.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreMedia.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftOSLog.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftVision.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftsimd.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftNetwork.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftDemangle.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftFileProvider.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftIntents.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftPrivate_BiomePubSub.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftPrivate_BiomeStreams.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftUniformTypeIdentifiers.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftAVFoundation.dylib
  /usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreMIDI.dylib
  /usr/lib/log/liblog_network.dylib


Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhMaterialEditor.framework	"Renderer Development Kit"	8.0.23278.1002
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Commands.rhp	"Commands"	8.0.23278.13004
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/PlugIns/NamedSnapshots.rhp	"Snapshots"	8.0.23278.1002
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCodePlugin.rhp	"RhinoCodePlugin"	8.0.23278.13004
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RDK_EtoUI.rhp	"RDK_EtoUI"	8.0.23278.13004
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/MeshCommands.rhp	"MeshCommands"	8.0.23278.13004
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoRenderCycles.rhp	"Rhino Render"	8.0.23278.13004
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCycles.rhp	"RhinoCycles"	8.0.23278.13004
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/PlugIns/SectionTools.rhp	"SectionTools"	8.0.23278.1002
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/PlugIns/Displacement.rhp	"Displacement"	8.0.23278.1002
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/PlugIns/PanelingTools.rhp	"PanelingTools"	8.0.23278.1002
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoDLR_Python.rhp	"IronPython"	8.0.23278.13004
  /Applications/RhinoBETA.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/GrasshopperPlugin.rhp	"Grasshopper"	8.0.23278.13004

Gijs · October 9, 2023, 1:49pm

@the_eraser do you see the same issues if you run your mac without the external display?

the_eraser · October 9, 2023, 1:52pm

Yes, I tested that with and without the external display

Gijs · October 9, 2023, 3:07pm

@the_eraser thanks for these, both these issues have been logged now, but since they contain your models they are not visible to public

RH-77570 Random wires with Technical Display
RH-77589 Poor line quality on Mac

stevebaer · October 9, 2023, 5:39pm

We think we have the stray wires bug shown in the first two videos fixed. This fix will be in the next Rhino 8 beta which should be available tomorrow.
Thanks

dan · October 10, 2023, 10:46pm

RH-77570 is fixed in the latest BETA.

the_eraser · October 11, 2023, 7:12am

(solved)

the_eraser · October 11, 2023, 7:22am

(solved)

the_eraser · October 11, 2023, 7:29am

(solved)

flixchameroy · October 11, 2023, 7:33am

Yes, it looks like some lines are drawn on top of other lines. You can also see this if you switch to default Technical display mode, where dotted-lines are drawn on top of visible lines as well as hidden lines.

Maybe @stevebaer can have insight on this ?

wim · October 11, 2023, 7:35am

We still have these on the list:
RH-77623 Flickering lines
RH-77622 thick lines
RH-77589 Poor line quality on Mac

None of these appear to be open to the public.
-wim

the_eraser · October 11, 2023, 8:39am

(solved)

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