The edges seem more jagged and the shadows more pixelated, has anyone else noticed this in the rendered workspace in comparison to Rhino 7 for Mac? Anything I’m missing?
We’re also (but not only) discussing problematic Mac R8 Rendered performances here: [R8 MAC] Graphics Performances
Hi @tarailsley
Can you run _Systeminfo in rhino 8 and post back the results?
Is this a modified display mode? If so, it would be good to post it so we can use that to try and repeat the bug.
Not a modified display mode, both a fresh install with their original settings as had my MacBook formatted. Will send _Systeminfo from Rhino 8 now.
Rhino 8 SR0 2023-10-31 (Rhino 8, 8.0.23304.09002, Git hash:master @ 20e15cf9bd66e6676f849f22e485cb3e82a8beac)
License type: Commercial, build 2023-10-31
License details: Cloud Zoo
Apple macOS Version 14.1.1 (Build 23B81) (Physical RAM: 32Gb)
Mac Model Identifier: MacBookPro18,4
Language: en-GB (MacOS default)
.NET 7.0.0
Metal GPU Family Apple 7
Metal GPU Family Common 3
Metal GPU Family Mac 2
Graphics processors
Apple M1 Max
Color LCD (1512 x 982 @ 120.00Hz)
LU28R55 (1920 x 1080 @ 60.00Hz)
USB devices
Western Digital: Elements 2621
Western Digital: Elements 2620
Logitech: Wireless Receiver
Bluetooth devices
None
Third party kernel extensions
None
Third party plugins
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCore.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreFoundation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreGraphics.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreImage.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDarwin.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDispatch.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftIOKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMetal.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftOSLog.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftObjectiveC.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftQuartzCore.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftUniformTypeIdentifiers.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftXPC.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_Concurrency.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftos.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftsimd.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_StringProcessing.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_RegexParser.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCryptoTokenKit.dylib
/usr/lib/usd/libusd_ms.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreAudio.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreLocation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreMedia.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCompression.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreMIDI.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftAVFoundation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreML.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftFileProvider.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftIntents.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftAccelerate.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftGLKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftGameplayKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMetalKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftModelIO.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSceneKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSpriteKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftVision.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftRegexBuilder.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDemangle.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftVideoToolbox.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftObservation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftWebKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftNaturalLanguage.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSystem.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMapKit.dylib
Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhMaterialEditor.framework “Renderer Development Kit” 8.0.23304.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.0.23304.9002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots” 8.0.23304.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RDK_EtoUI.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.0.23304.9002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.0.23304.9002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.0.23304.9002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.0.23304.9002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools” 8.0.23304.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Displacement.rhp “Displacement” 8.0.23304.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/PanelingTools.rhp “PanelingTools” 8.0.23304.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoDLR_Python.rhp “IronPython” 8.0.23304.9002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 8.0.23304.9002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.0.23304.9002
The screen grabs I attached were both taken from my MacBook Pro too, not my external monitor.
I’ve done SystemInfo from Rhino7 too…
Rhino 7 SR34 2023-9-24 (Rhino 7, 7.34.23267.11002, Git hash:master @ a37d83041828484840f2448d5b3e3770e46694f9)
License type: Commercial, build 2023-09-24
License details: Cloud Zoo
Apple macOS Version 14.1.1 (Build 23B81) (Physical RAM: 32Gb)
Rhino is running in Rosetta2 on Apple Silicon
Mac Model Identifier: MacBookPro18,4
Language: en-GB (MacOS default)
Apple M1 Max (OpenGL ver:4.1 Metal - 88)
OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High
Vendor Name: Apple
Render version: 4.1
Shading Language: 4.10
Maximum Texture size: 16384 x 16384
Z-Buffer depth: n/a
Maximum Viewport size: 16384 x 16384
Total Video Memory: 21845 MB
Graphics: Apple M1 Max
Displays: Unknown (255dpi 2x), Unknown (206dpi 2x)
Graphics processors
Apple M1 Max
Color LCD (1512 x 982 @ 120.00Hz)
LU28R55 (2560 x 1440 @ 60.00Hz)
USB devices
Western Digital: Elements 2621
Logitech: Wireless Receiver
Bluetooth devices
None
Third party kernel extensions
None
Third party plugins
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCore.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreFoundation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreGraphics.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreImage.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDarwin.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDispatch.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftIOKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMetal.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftOSLog.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftObjectiveC.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftQuartzCore.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftUniformTypeIdentifiers.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftXPC.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_Concurrency.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftos.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftsimd.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_StringProcessing.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_RegexParser.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCryptoTokenKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftAVFoundation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreAudio.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreLocation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreMIDI.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreMedia.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCompression.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreML.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftFileProvider.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftIntents.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftAccelerate.dylib
/usr/lib/usd/libusd_ms.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftGLKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftGameplayKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMetalKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftModelIO.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSceneKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSpriteKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftVision.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftRegexBuilder.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDemangle.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftVideoToolbox.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftObservation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftWebKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftNaturalLanguage.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSystem.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMapKit.dylib
/usr/lib/log/liblog_network.dylib
Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhMaterialEditor.framework “Renderer Development Kit” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Commands.rhp “Commands” 7.34.23267.11002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Import_OBJ.rhp “Import_OBJ” 7.34.23267.11002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_XAML.rhp “export_xaml” 7.34.23267.11002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/QuadRemesh.rhp “QuadRemesh” 7.34.23267.11002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Export_OBJ.rhp “export_OBJ” 7.34.23267.11002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RDK_EtoUI.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 7.34.23267.11002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_SVG.rhp “Export SVG” 7.34.23267.11002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 7.34.23267.11002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Export_DAE.rhp “Export_DAE” 7.34.23267.11002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_PDF.rhp “PDF Export” 7.34.23267.11002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_IGES.rhp “IGES Export Plug-in” 7.34.23267.11002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Import_SVG.rhp “Import_SVG” 7.34.23267.11002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/BlockEdit.rhp “BlockEdit” 7.34.23267.11002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Export_AMF.rhp “Export_AMF” 7.34.23267.11002
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/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 7.34.23267.11002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_SKP.rhp “SketchUp Export” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_UDO.rhp “Moray Export” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_RAW.rhp “RAW Triangle Import” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_VRML.rhp “VRML Import” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/AnimationTools.rhp “AnimationTools” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Import_WAMIT.rhp “WAMIT import” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/NamedPositions.rhp “Named Position” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_SKP.rhp “SketchUp Import” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_RAW.rhp “Raw Triangles Export” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/MPlane.rhp “MPlane” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_XGL.rhp “XGL Export” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_CD.rhp “Cult3D Export” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_LWO.rhp “Lightwave Export” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_SLC.rhp “SLC Export” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_3MF.rhp “import_3MF” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_STEP.rhp “STEP Export” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_3MF.rhp “export_3MF” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_WAMIT.rhp “WAMIT Export” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Import_SLC.rhp “SLC Import” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Import_OFF.rhp “OFF Import” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Squish.rhp “Squish” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_X_T.rhp “Parasolid Export” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/RhinoBonusTools.rhp “Rhino Bonus Tools” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/RhinoLabsTools.rhp “Rhino Labs Tools” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Import_M.rhp “Import_M” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Import_X.rhp “X Import” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_IGES.rhp “IGES Import Plug-in” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_AI.rhp “Adobe Illustrator Export” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_ACAD.rhp “AutoCAD file export : export_ACAD” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Displacement.rhp “Displacement” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_LWO.rhp “Lightwave Import” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_SAT.rhp “ACIS Export” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_CSV.rhp “Comma Separated Value Export” 7.34.23267.1002
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/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_STL.rhp “STL Export” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_VDA.rhp “VDA Import” 7.34.23267.1002
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/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_Points.rhp “Points Export” 7.34.23267.1002
/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_VDA.rhp “VDA Export” 7.34.23267.1002
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/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_X.rhp “X Export” 7.34.23267.1002
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/Applications/Rhino 7.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_POV.rhp “POV-Ray Export” 7.34.23267.1002
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hi @tarailsley
I do wonder what mode you are in, as this doesn’t look default. Maybe you modified your display settings in an earlier beta of Rhino, these will not be overwritten after installing the release. Is this rendered mode with edges displayed?
If I change my mode to rendered, and turn on edges display, I do see something similar. It looks the lines are antialiased against white (and not take the SSAO into consideration)
RH-78270 bad aa in modified rendered mode.
I deleted the plists for both versions to make sure Rhino settings very as released. And both versions of rhino are installed on a fresh formatted Mac. The mode is in rendered, with edges displayed, they’re very smooth in R7 and jagged more in R8, which effects some of the shadows whilst in Rendered mode and the overall look of the rendered model isn’t as smooth or attractive, I hope this makes sense. T
note that for display settings, that does not work in V8. You can however do a factory reset now with the command _Reset
I will give that a go now, but hadn’t changed any settings as only just installed it, so settings are how they came. Lemme try.
ok , did factory reset on V8, anti aliasing still seemed jagged compared to R7, here is a cube in rendered mode on 0 axis, shadows on, surface edge settings set to 1 in display mode - rendered
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@tarailsley your screenshots didn’t upload it seems
Apologies, they don’t seem to be uploading