WIP (8) feedback

[andrew.nowicki]

Rhino 7 is good enough for me (except for the bugs), but I need much better Bongo plugin. Waiting for Bongo 3 is like waiting for Godot.

[Gijs (Gijs de Zwart)]

@Frane

Double click to access a block

is in Rhino

@Frane

click outside to get out of it

click ok/cancel (seems safer to me as it gives the option to cancel the edit. Also otherwise, when is the click meant as block exit?)

@Frane

Double click to access a nested block, ad eternu

RH-29349 Double click to edit nested blocks in block manager

@Frane

A toggle to hide/view the rest of the model

This is an old wish but mentioning it for completeness RH-11366 Some visibility options

@Frane

Select blocks and make unique

is in V8 as _CreateUniqueBlock

@Frane

• Change axes and insertion point
• Insertion point is actually an insertion plane and can be used to place blocks over any surface

already added in this thread

@Frane

Replace blocks

_ReplaceBlock

@Frane

Save block as file (3dm in this case)

_Export

@Frane

• Link external file as block
• Insert external file as block (drag and drop)

_Insert can do this, the second will give a popup with the option to insert

@Frane

Reset to block definition (when scaled you can use this command to revert the scale)

_BlockResetScale

@Frane

Enable/disable X Y or Z scaling

I’ve added your request to limit only certain axis
RH-72164 Wish: Protected blocks

[Gijs (Gijs de Zwart)]

@ivan.galik

please it is a free software, even browser based. just give it a try. i expect company which develops CAD to have general overview of direct competition packages and its functionality. model a cube, make it a component and play around how it feels to work with blocks. users should give a nudge not do all the research.

Even if I would try it, then you need to be specific to what you find better. I can download and test drive, form my own opinion on it and still not know what you want

@ivan.galik

exactly. definition carries definition attributes and instances carry instance attributes. so basically an instance carries both

I’ve added RH-72836 Global and local key/value for block instances

@ivan.galik

there was a discussion to include macro command so you can end block editation from macro script

okay, this is then listed as RH-34493 BlockEditOk and BlockEditClose desired for macros and scripts

@ivan.galik

richer options to edit text (subscripts, superscripts, paragraph alignment, dotted lists, …)

RH-4393 RichText in Notes

@ivan.galik

when using Fx within text it is written as a code to retrieve specific attribute and once you add more in the same text it is becoming very dense

RH-55283 Working with text field syntax is awkward

[Frane (Frane Zilic)]

@Gijs

click ok/cancel (seems safer to me as it gives the option to cancel the edit. Also otherwise, when is the click meant as block exit?)

To cancel the edit in skp you use ctrl z. Clicking outside the block accepts the changes and closes the block.

[Eugen]

Hello!
Cool, we’ve got “CreateUniqueBlock”, “BlockResetScale”, “ReplaceBlock” o.o.t.b. now!
If you also could add “Select same Block”, the plugin “BlockTools” would not be necessary anymore.
Thank you!

[Gijs (Gijs de Zwart)]

@Eugen

ReplaceBlock

is V5 command

@Eugen

Select same Block

there is SelBlockInstanceNamed (V5), but in V8 in the block manager panel, you can highlight and select top level block instances directly this way.

[Eugen]

@Gijs

is V5 command

Yes. I didn’t mean all these commands come in R8.

@Gijs

but in V8 in the block manager panel, you can highlight and select top level block instances directly this way.

Is this a command, and can be put on an alias?

[Gijs (Gijs de Zwart)]

@Eugen

Is this a command, and can be put on an alias?

no, listed as RH-56445 Wish: New command to select all block instances as currently selected

[maje90 (Riccardo Majewski)]

@maje90

the underlying structure of the SubdD class is broken!

@maje90

the need of a more “serious” and reliable/accessible methods on SubD.

I mean:

why?

There is one method to change control points location of a SubD?
One, at least one! Be it grasshopper or c#.
I need it. For RH7. Since RH7 release.

Jumping to mesh and back to SubD mess up a lot of things, like turning Ngons to triangles.
(And yes, we need better control also for ngons, for meshes and subds…)

I’ve made many scripts to work with SubD, but it really feels a “abstract/forgotten” type, compared to other geometry types… seeing the situation from a user. I’m sure under the hood it’s wonderful, but we users can only use rhino commands or GH+rhinocommon.

[Joshua_Kennedy]

@ivan.galik

-pushpull like in sketchup, support collapsible breps (when you make hole in a wall and move some face of the hole to the end of brep resulting in zerothickness region should automatically perform boolean difference and delete zero thickness *optionally or have a prompt what should happen)

Rhino WIP Feature: PushPull Workflow

Hi all, In the Rhino WIP several new enhancements and additions have been made to create a PushPull workflow. The new enhancements ease the manipulation of solids without needing to trim or split as well as working in perspective views. [Headliner_New] Ortho Z Snap Ortho mode has been expanded to also allow snapping to the Z direction of the current construction plane. [Ortho_Z] Gumball Closed Extrude Extruding closed curves with the gumball can now create closed solids by selecting the f…

[maje90 (Riccardo Majewski)]

Hi @Joshua_Kennedy .
That new feature seems cool, but how is that related to this post?

[wim (Wim Dekeyser)]

Riccardo -

@maje90

[…] but how is that related to this post?

It was a direct answer to one of Ivan’s bullet points in this thread…

[maje90 (Riccardo Majewski)]

Hi all again.

Made a video with a bunch of bugs.
(Again I’m not using WIP, I found those by simply messing around for some minutes…)

Rhino WIP (8) 2023-02-28 bug report

• 00:24-00:38 SubD add crease: lets you pick not-visible edges while shaded mode (like if wireframe mode)
• 00:45-01:30 if "MouseOverHighlight=true Insert SubD Loop command will abort if you confirm your selection after moving the mouse cursor. You need to select and then confirm without moving.
• 01:45-02:10 “Snap to CPlane Z” snaps also at 45°-ish direction while drawing a rectangle and the camera is pointing downward
• 02:10-03:00 clicking/toggling bottom status bar “Filter” button will not update (just visually) the floating “Selection Filters” window
• 03:05-03:50 floating “Selection Filters” window is glitchy, some empty spaces, and resizing it will take one CPU core go 100% load
• 03:55-04:10 editing the UI layout will cause a “ghost” rhino app appears on the Windows bottom bar
• 04:20-05:05 floating windows like Curvature analysis or Zebra have often random sizes and are glitchy when resized, and some of its contents are much thinner than the available space (like curvature numerical min-max values). Shouldn’t those windows have a fixed dimension? Why the option to resize them? At least have the UI calculate its minimum sizes so one can just drag it to smallest size and forget about it.
  (Also, the handle still pops at only 1pixel thickness…)

[Gijs (Gijs de Zwart)]

Thanks @maje90 for reporting

@maje90

00:24-00:38 SubD add crease: lets you pick not-visible edges while shaded mode (like if wireframe mode)

I believe this is working as designed. The same happens for example if you select edges in subobject selection mode where only edges/curves are active or when selecting edges in DupEdge

@maje90

00:45-01:30 if "MouseOverHighlight=true Insert SubD Loop command will abort if you confirm your selection after moving the mouse cursor. You need to select and then confirm without moving.

I see this too, will add a report shortly.

@maje90

01:45-02:10 “Snap to CPlane Z” snaps also at 45°-ish direction while drawing a rectangle and the camera is pointing downward

RH-73327 Z-ortho snap issue

@maje90

02:10-03:00 clicking/toggling bottom status bar “Filter” button will not update (just visually) the floating “Selection Filters” window

this one I cannot reproduce. Is this still the case for you in latest WIP?

@maje90

03:05-03:50 floating “Selection Filters” window is glitchy, some empty spaces, and resizing it will take one CPU core go 100% load

RH-73328 SelectionFilter scaling issue

@maje90

03:55-04:10 editing the UI layout will cause a “ghost” rhino app appears on the Windows bottom bar

I cannot reproduce this here, is this still the case for you in latest WIP?

@maje90

04:20-05:05 floating windows like Curvature analysis or Zebra have often random sizes and are glitchy when resized, and some of its contents are much thinner than the available space (like curvature numerical min-max values). Shouldn’t those windows have a fixed dimension? Why the option to resize them? At least have the UI calculate its minimum sizes so one can just drag it to smallest size and forget about it.
(Also, the handle still pops at only 1pixel thickness…)

I’ve added a comment to the original YT item about the resize flickering
Also added specifics about the curvature window here RH-73329 CurvatureAnalysis window issues

[maje90 (Riccardo Majewski)]

@Gijs

@maje90

00:24-00:38 SubD add crease: lets you pick not-visible edges while shaded mode (like if wireframe mode)

I believe this is working as designed. …

Are you sure?
On Rhino 7 it doesn’t work this way. On shaded mode you can select only visible edges/vertices while adding a crease, and this seems much more logical. If I want to select hidden edges, I would go with ghosted/wireframe mode…

@Gijs

@maje90

02:10-03:00 clicking/toggling bottom status bar “Filter” button will not update (just visually) the floating “Selection Filters” window

this one I cannot reproduce. Is this still the case for you in latest WIP?

You’re right, latest WIP doesn’t have this problem. My bad.

@Gijs

@maje90

03:55-04:10 editing the UI layout will cause a “ghost” rhino app appears on the Windows bottom bar

I cannot reproduce this here, is this still the case for you in latest WIP?

Even on latest WIP (8.0.23059.12305, 2023-02-28).
It’s not a “bug” , but … well… it’s there. Surely not to put on priority though…
visible also on task manager:

[Gijs (Gijs de Zwart)]

@maje90

Is it useful to flood the forum with reports of bugs like this?

Preferred is a new topic for a new bug, but I prefer a report over no report

[maje90 (Riccardo Majewski)]

@Gijs

new topic for a new bug

1 topic for each new bug? Even little ones?
I do fear of spamming in the forum… I already fear to be posting too often here.
I wouldn’t like to be the creator of something similar:

[wim (Wim Dekeyser)]

@maje90

1 topic for each new bug? Even little ones?

Yes, please.
-wim