Why is my file so big?!

Rhino Rhino for Windows
1

I have a file I’ve been working on for a while, starting in v5. It was originally about 150MB… nothing big, no meshes, a few simple materials. With a few days of detail work in v6, it is now 880MB. It takes 5+ minutes to save, which is rather inconvenient…

Audit of the small file (155MB):

Document Manifest:
Texture Mapping: 0 active, 1 system.
Material: 27 active, 2 system.
Line Pattern: 36 active, 3 system.
Layer: 85 active, 1 system.
Group: 1032 active.
TextStyle: none.
Annotation Style: 86 active, 7 system.
Light: none.
Hatch Pattern: 35 active, 9 system.
Block: 30 active.
Model Geometry: 60560 active.

Total: 61897 model components. 23 system components.

And the big file (881mb):

Document Manifest:
Texture Mapping: 0 active, 1 system.
Material: 27 active, 2 system.
Line Pattern: 36 active, 3 system.
Layer: 89 active, 1 system.
Group: 1054 active.
TextStyle: none.
Annotation Style: 86 active, 7 system.
Light: none.
Hatch Pattern: 35 active, 9 system.
Block: 31 active.
Model Geometry: 65859 active.

Total: 67223 model components. 23 system components.

Sysinfo:

Rhino 6 SR6 2018-6-26 (Rhino 6, 6.6.18177.16151, Git hash:master @ abeff9e9af62a0e02a9eb52efa77e179a682f2c7)
Licence type: Commercial, build 2018-06-26
License details: Cloud Zoo. In use by: nate (xxxxx)

Windows 10.0 SR0.0 or greater (Physical RAM: 16Gb)
Machine name: xxxx

Intel(R) HD Graphics 630 (OpenGL ver:4.5.0 - Build 23.20.16.4849)

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: Height

Vendor Name: Intel
Render version: 4.5
Shading Language: 4.50 - Build 23.20.16.4849
Driver Date: 10-27-2017
Driver Version: 23.20.16.4849
Maximum Texture size: 16384 x 16384
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 16384 x 16384
Total Video Memory: 1 GB

C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 6.6.18177.16151
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoScript.rhp “RhinoScript”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RPC.rhp “RPC”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoBonusTools.rhp “Rhino Bonus Tools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\AnimationTools.rhp “AnimationTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp “Rhino Render”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 6.6.18177.16151
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\rdk_ui.rhp “Renderer Development Kit UI”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 6.6.18177.16151
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 6.6.18177.16151
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Users\Nate\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\6.0\Plug-ins\SectionTools (fbdb1d7f-8cfb-42c1-9858-87cb6315932c)\2018.4.17.851\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

2

Hi Nate - are there many extra materials? Can you run Audit3dmFile and copy/paste the results here?

-Pascal

3

OK, so I just did some work and saved the file, and now its down from 881MB to 540MB, without deleting anything from the model…

I deleted the object lines, cause there were a lot of them…

Testing 3dm Archive: C:\Users\Nate\Desktop\DAM - Display Cases - 16.154.35 - 7.6.18-r6.3dm
Start Section: 451 bytes (offset 0 to 451)
Offset: 0
3dm archive version: 60
Interface Name: Rhinoceros 6.6 - Commercial, build 2018-06-26 - (compiled Jun 26 2018)
SDK Version: 2348836105.2350410237
OpenNURBS Version: 2350410237
3dm Version: 6
Operating System: Windows 10.0 SR0.0 or greater, 64-bit, platform 0, version 10.0 build 0 sp 0.0, suite 0, product type 0
Runtime: ON::RuntimeEnvironment::Windows 3DM I/O processor: OpenNURBS toolkit version 2350410237 (compiled on Jun 26 2018)

Properties Section: 55314 bytes (offset 451 to 55765)
3dm archive openNURBS version: 2350410237 (6.6 2018-06-26:1)
Application Information:
Name: “Rhinoceros 6”
URL: “http://www.rhino3d.com”
Details: “Commercial, build 2018-06-26”
Revision History:
Create Time: Thursday April 26 16:21:31 2018 UCT
Last Edit Time: Tuesday July 10 15:08:20 2018 UCT
Revision Count: 172
Created By: “Nate”
Last Edit By: “Nate”
Settings Section: 56230 bytes (offset 55765 to 111995)
Length unit system: inches
Plug-ins:
Name: 3Dconnexion 3D Mouse
Version: 6.6.18177.16151
Id: DCA0DB8D-844C-48d6-BA97-F5595FE6AFDB
File: C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp
SDK Version: C++ 2348836105.2350410237 (6.0 2017-08-15:1, 6.6 2018-06-26:1)
Name: AnimationTools
Version: Jun 26 2018 17:01:02
Id: 3AA81848-5635-41bb-ABDB-0EC069BC5519
File: C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\AnimationTools.rhp
SDK Version: C++ 2348836105.2350410237 (6.0 2017-08-15:1, 6.6 2018-06-26:1)
Name: Commands
Version: 6.6.18177.16151
Id: 02BF604D-799C-4cc2-830E-8D72F21B14B7
File: C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp
SDK Version: .NET 0.0
Name: Displacement
Version: Jun 26 2018 17:08:22
Id: F293DE5C-D1FF-467a-9BD1-CAC8EC4B2E6B
File: C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp
SDK Version: C++ 2348836105.2350410237 (6.0 2017-08-15:1, 6.6 2018-06-26:1)
Name: RDK_EtoUI
Version: 6.6.18177.16151
Id: 638A0098-0511-482b-95BF-8CF47FD32C17
File: C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp
SDK Version: .NET 0.0
Name: Renderer Development Kit
Version: Jun 26 2018 16:56:35
Id: 16592D58-4A2F-401d-BF5E-3B87741C1B1B
File: C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp
SDK Version: C++ 2348836105.2350410237 (6.0 2017-08-15:1, 6.6 2018-06-26:1)
Name: Renderer Development Kit UI
Version: Jun 26 2018 16:59:36
Id: 67755633-23FD-4ac5-A18C-C1F14F0AB05D
File: C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\rdk_ui.rhp
SDK Version: C++ 2348836105.2350410237 (6.0 2017-08-15:1, 6.6 2018-06-26:1)
Name: Rhino Bonus Tools
Version: Jun 26 2018 17:04:40
Id: 213A2661-A9EC-4ac4-867A-BC8CABE5AE29
File: C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoBonusTools.rhp
SDK Version: C++ 2348836105.2350410237 (6.0 2017-08-15:1, 6.6 2018-06-26:1)
Name: Rhino Render
Version: 1.50, Jun 26 2018, 16:58:47
Id: 5DC0192D-73DC-44f5-9141-8E72542E792D
File: C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp
SDK Version: C++ 2348836105.2350410237 (6.0 2017-08-15:1, 6.6 2018-06-26:1)
Name: RhinoCycles
Version: 6.6.18177.16151
Id: 9BC28E9E-7A6C-4b8f-A0C6-3D05E02D1B97
File: C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp
SDK Version: .NET 0.0
Name: RhinoScript
Version: Jun 26 2018 16:55:57
Id: 1C7A3523-9A8F-4cec-A8E0-310F580536A7
File: C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoScript.rhp
SDK Version: C++ 2348836105.2350410237 (6.0 2017-08-15:1, 6.6 2018-06-26:1)
Name: RPC
Version: Jun 26 2018 17:15:45
Id: 1F908FF5-4984-45a6-95F0-A81CE979A4D7
File: C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RPC.rhp
SDK Version: C++ 2348836105.2350410237 (6.0 2017-08-15:1, 6.6 2018-06-26:1)
Name: SectionTools
Version: Apr 17 2018 14:11:39
Id: FBDB1D7F-8CFB-42c1-9858-87CB6315932C
File: C:\Users\Nate\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\6.0\Plug-ins\SectionTools (fbdb1d7f-8cfb-42c1-9858-87cb6315932c)\2018.4.17.851\SectionTools.rhp
SDK Version: C++ 2348836105.2348836521 (6.0 2017-08-15:1, 6.0 2017-11-27:1)
Name: Snapshots
Version: Jun 26 2018 17:11:19
Id: 73B88F43-C32C-4306-93B5-1D0082FFFEE8
File: C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp
SDK Version: C++ 2348836105.2350410237 (6.0 2017-08-15:1, 6.6 2018-06-26:1)
Name: Toolbars
Version: 6.6.18177.16151
Id: DC297053-96C0-4883-A688-8326B4E024A8
File: C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp
SDK Version: .NET 0.0
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6 embedded images, 2154840 bytes (offset 111995 to 2266835)
Texture Mapping Table:
0 texture mappings, 24 bytes (offset 2266835 to 2266859)
Material Table:
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material[1]: Steel 1
material[2]: Glass 1
material[3]: Walnut 1
material[4]:
material[5]:
material[6]:
material[7]:
…
material[26]:
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layer[21]: Glass
layer[22]: Hinges & Latches
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layer[29]: Panel
layer[30]: Frame
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4

Hi Nate - nothing leaps out at me - I see some embedded images but only 2MB worth , if I am reading that right.
Does SaveSmall make any worthwhile difference? I’m guessing not, but worth a look.

Not sure what you meant here

“I deleted the object lines, cause there were a lot of them…”

-Pascal

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I just trimmed the file I pasted, because there were 65,000 lines of objects…

Is 65,000 objects a lot? Could that be the cause? It’s weird that the size of the file varies though.

Right now it’s 540MB, using 4.5GB of memory, and taking 10-15 second to save. The same file this morning (with no changes) was 880MB, using 10+GB memory, and taking 10 minutes to save. WTF?

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Did you try SaveSmall as Pascal suggested?

7

Yep, SaveSmall dropped it from 540MB to 510MB

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@pascal
OK, I ran Audit3dmFile on all 3 versions of the file, (1st- 155MB, 2nd- 880MB, 3rd- 540MB), and dumped the object data into a spreadsheet to compare the same object in different versions of the file.

Many objects which are small in the first version are 15-20x bigger in the 2nd version, and 10-15x bigger in the 3rd version.
Examples to follow… having issues… :confused:

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Hi Nate - I am not at all sure the object number would refer to the same object in each file - the order of writing is not the same as a GUID …

-Pascal

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The GUID looks like this, right?

000225bd-20da-413c-8d7a-267df6026347

that object is 761 bytes in the earlier file, 11337 bytes in the 2nd version, and 6251 bytes in the 3rd version

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Hi Nate - yep- that looks more like it - can you export that object from each file and post or send it via PM ? I’d at least like to see if the extra survives the export and trip. If so, we may have something to work on.

-Pascal

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v1.3dm (123.1 KB)
v2.3dm (487.1 KB)
v3.3dm (491.7 KB)

There ya go!

FYI, that curve is from a pdf I had imported…

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wtf1.3dm (124.1 KB)
wtf2.3dm (487.8 KB)

2 more…
This one is a tiny line from Make2D…

I think the pdf import and Make2D were both done in v5

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So far it looks like user data… still poking.
@nate - are you using Snashots?

-Pascal

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yeah, I was testing out snapshots… I had added a couple at one point, but wasn’t really using them.

Also, I checked my old files, and both the pdf import and the Make2D those objects are from, were done in v5

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Hi Nate - it sure looks like all of these oversized objects have Snapshot data.
@lars - am I barking up the wrong tree here? Is there any way to clear Snapshot data?
(Lars may be on vacation at the moment so we may have a pause here)

-Pascal

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OK, thanks!

I’ve exported the parts of the model I need, so I’m able to keep working for now… :+1:

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OK - my guess of the moment is that you may have had zillions of objects getting Snapshot data - it looks like, for example, all objects get position data even if they are not selected at snapshot time.(unlike NamedPosition which acts on a selection).

-Pascal

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If it is plug-in data you should be able to save as with the plug-in data unchecked. @lars is currently away, but I could have a peak today too.

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Saving the v2.3dm file as a new file with the plug-in data checkbox unchecked I get:

v2_noplugindata.3dm (28.8 KB)

image

Note that adding a snapshot can quickly grow your filesize, Creating a snapshot means effectively saving your current model inside the file as plug-in data (views, object locations, materials etc)

If you want to retain any other potential plug-in data just delete all snapshots. That should also bring down your filesize.