I´m currently testing VA3 to see if the previous issues I had with it, which kept me from really considering to use it, have been fixed, but it seems the main issue I have is still here in VA3.
It seems the tangent edge from a wall with the same vastyle and properties continues to randomly show in both plan and section views, thus producing a clean BIM (auto updated) drawing set continues to not be feasible, which I would argue is the main point of BIM for architects.
Screenshots showing the issue and file below.
I hope we can fix this somehow as it’s the last issue that keeps me from VA. Excited to try out the other new features, let me know if im simply missing an option to have VA drawings behave well!
Hi @lourencovp we still have this issue pending to be fixed.
Why don’t you print the plan and section views from real-time views of your model, instead of producing a 2D in the model space? As long as you use the Hidden display mode, you will be able to print that to vector output, and you won’t have these tangent lines issue.
In addition, you will always print the up to date version of your model, and save file size because you won’t need to place extra 2D geometry in the model space.
Hi @fsalla
I understand the logic of setting up the layout with the 3D “Hidden” views and using that for printing, it makes sense but I find there are several reasons not do that in my mind, but maybe my concerns don’t make much sense? do let me know!
Different rhino versions with&without VA installed wont be able to use and work on the drawings, since they wont be able to even see them, for example someone on the go with a mac etc.(I sure would love a mac version but I’m sure its harder than I can understand to actually port it)
How can you make for example a lighting plan which is 100% 2D work with symbols etc without having a 2D space to work on (Layout is not accurate especially with dimension in rhino currently, but maybe I’m doing it wrong?
Sharing a well organized single dwg with all drawings properly layed out and annotated in model space for 3rd party consultants is not possible, interoperability is important! (I know you can export each layout separately as a dwg now, havent tried it yet, super grateful for this new update!)
Rhino view modes act fickle and depending on the computer you are using render differently in my experience, especially if one person on one computer edits the view mode, drawing wont be consistent across machines, whilst actual line drawings don’t lie. (important for team workflows)
What happens when we are on rhino12 and VA8 and no one can open the file for this thing anymore?
I’m sure there are a few more that I will remember right after I post this reply
I do agree with your recommended workflow, it definitely saves file size and creates a snappier experience overall, but it creates all sorts of issues down the line imho.
I will give it a try and set up a base drawing set to see what can be done with it.
Thank you for letting me know this is on your track list, would be great to know when its fixed!
Thank you for all the hard work and effort you put into VA
Yes!! This would make all the difference when working on ‘automatic’ 2D extracted plans.
Both model and layout space are NOT the right place for this.
I mentioned adding an extra 2D space a few times around here, for example in this post.
Obviously, this is a feature that runs pretty deep into the Rhino ‘core’, and as such will need to come from McNeel itself. I doubt (correct me if I’m wrong) this could be added in a plugin.
Hi @lourencovp , excuse the late reply on this topic:
That’s a good reason to keep the 2D Plan/Section view tools.
Well, if you are not comfortable working on the page layout, you can draw that on top of a real-time plan view, in the model space, and manage the visibility of symbols and annotations by layers. However I think we should focus on solving the problems of dimensions on layouts.
Well, that’s possible with the new feature to export layouts to DWG. Try it and let me know how it works for you!
You can always create pictures/screenshots/renders of the views. For the 2D drawings, using the Hidden display and printing to vector output should generate the same result for anyone (with same printer settings).
I guess this is the same of your first point. If you don’t have VisualARQ, you can’t see the 3D model in real-time plan view representation and print it to vector output.
Im currently trying the workflow regarding live drawings you mentioned. I have one big issue with it.
Every time I open the file after closing it, all of the “hidden” viewport details, in layout space change from “hidden” to “wireframe”. meaning if I intended to produce a full drawing set full of layouts etc, everytime I open the file I have to go to every single layout and redo the detail view mode back to “Hidden”.
Am I missing something here? Is there any fix for this issue?
example below,
File with details on the right hand side with “Hidden” mode. (Correct)
File freshly opened. details with hidden view mode change to wireframe mode. (Wrong) It even changes the “Display mode” under properties palet to Wireframe
Hi Lourenço,
I cannot reproduce this error. I open your file, I can see the six details on the right in Hidden display mode. I save the file, I open it again, and the 6 details are still in Hidden display.
Does this problem happen in a different file?
Just in case, there is a newer version of VisualARQ (3.0.13) that you can try this with: Update - VisualARQ
I can see you are using a previous version (VisualARQ 3.0.11).
Try to always run clean Rhino instance first (just start Rhino, do not open any particular file) and wait for all plugins to be fully loaded.
Then proceed to open any of your VA projects.
All layout details should preserve their Display mode.
If I understood it correctly, if Rhino loads layouts and details faster than plugins (at start-up), it won’t recognize “Hidden” or any other VA native view modes and proceed to “fix them” (change them) to default one, which is wireframe. Only then it loads up also VA, but all details are already messed up.
I open all my projects through empty Rhino file and never encountered this problem again.
That has indeed solved the issue with the display mode on layouts!
I would never find this solution in a million years, not very intuitive and I assume many people will continue to have this issue, if live drawings from RH+VA are meant to be the main way to do things then I hope this bug gets solved, perhaps by Mcneel not necessary VA, not sure.
@fsalla I believe any model that is complex and heavy enough this issue happens.
I will try the dwg export function soon and see if any other issues arise!
Recently I’ve started using a display mode based off “Technical” to get my vector linework into layouts. It’s working… okay so far. Some lines are showing through that shouldn’t on my latest model.
@lourencovp I’m still trying to reproduce this issue, with no success. How are you opening your file? Double-click on the file? with the Open command in Rhino? Import command?
I can only imagine this problem happening in a Rhino that doesn’t have VisualARQ installed (or it is disabled). In that case, we cannot help it, obviously, since the “Hidden” display mode won’t be available.
Hi @fsalla, sharing the file that I built from another project using VA3 to test things out linked below.
All Details in layouts should be in hidden mode, but when the file is opened by double clicking it on the file explorer, all details change into wireframe.
@MichalKrizo fyi, your fix works, but if using a worksession .rws file it unfortunately doesn’t matter if a Rhino window has been opened or not, once you open the rws, all details will revert back to wireframe. Meaning a worksession workflow with multiple heavy files linked (with potentially multiple team members) doesn’t really work.
All issues that I have reported, the 2d drawings showing tangent edges that shouldnt be visible, details changing view mode when opening files etc, are happening with the latest Rhino 8 and VisualArq3 using this file as a basis.
As it stands, I can’t produce a drawing set using VA3 and would be forced to continue on Archicad/Revit, which I’m really trying to escape from… I suppose I could get by, if I dont use the live drawings workflow and instead just use the VA 2D drawing command “plan view”, but the tangent lines between walls continue to show on my latest tests, which makes a façade elevation look like a Mondrian painting (an not so nice version of it at least ).
Looking forward to finding solutions to these problems!
Thank you,
Lourenço
Hi @lourencovp I still can’t reproduce the error of opening your file from the Windows explorer, and get the details in Wireframe instead of Hidden. For some reason in your case, VisualARQ doesn’t load soon enough and for that reason the Hidden display changes to Wireframe.
On the other hand, I can appreciate the lines of your Mondrian paintings on the wall facades.
I guess you refer to those, right?:
There seems to be a display issue that also happens natively in Rhino. If you zoom in, the lines hide eventually. I’ve isolated a slab and a couple of walls and opened the file in a Rhino without VisualARQ, and this is the result:
We will investigate if we can make these lines (at least) not appear in the printing results.
