V8 vs. V7 - Display Mode inconsistencies!

tay.othman · May 18, 2023, 10:21pm

Hello All,

I’m trying to visualize “Pender” which is (Pen + Render) view in V8 and it seems that there are a handful of inconsistencies and unexpected behaviors when it comes to below:

1- unpredictable behavior of the Ground Plane.
2- Missing Ambient Occlusion Shadows.
3- Clicking on a Box Will reveal it’s Material color.

I made sure to:-
1- Work on the same file (attached)
2- Use the same Render Engine " Rhino Render", and with Gamma Values set to 2.2 with Linear Workflow enabled.
3- use the same Displaymode (Attached Pender.ini)

after switching to Shaded and return back to Pender, I get the ground plane to work but with a darker exposure.

Files for Testing Below:

box.3dm (292.3 KB)
Pender.ini (12.9 KB)

John_Brock · May 18, 2023, 11:37pm

Please post your WIP SystemInfo details.

Thanks

tay.othman · May 18, 2023, 11:42pm

Rhino 8 SR0 2023-5-16 (Rhino WIP, 8.0.23136.12095, Git hash:master @ 169a2fb7efa6d6e17271d883a1aee11766bbdab4)
License type: Commercial, build 2023-05-16
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2023-06-30

Windows 11 (10.0.22621 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 32Gb)

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [100% battery remaining]

Hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display: Intel(R) UHD Graphics (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 8-4-2022 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #1
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA RTX A1000 Laptop GPU (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 4-18-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 528.95
> Integrated accelerated graphics device (shares primary device ports)
- Video pass-through to primary display device

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 4-18-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.15.2895
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 4 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Users\TOthman\AppData\Local\Programs\UNIFI Labs\Rhino\UnifiLabs.RhinoAddin.rhp “UNIFI Rhino Plug-in” 0.0.2.0
C:\Program Files\Chaos Group\V-Ray\V-Ray for Rhinoceros\V8\VRayForRhino.rhp “V-Ray for Rhino”

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk_ui.rhp “Renderer Development Kit UI”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoRoslyn.rhp “RhinoRoslyn” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Grasshopper\GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCPython.rhp “RhinoCPython” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\ConstraintsUI.rhp “Constraints UI” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

tay.othman · May 18, 2023, 11:46pm

Note : disabled the 3rd party plugins didn’t solve the problem either

John_Brock · May 18, 2023, 11:48pm

That was worth checking, thanks.

I see you’re trying to run 2 screens with only enough VRAM for 1.
Another easy test is to unplug the 2nd monitor, reboot, and try your test with just the built in screen.

Better or different?

John_Brock · May 18, 2023, 11:57pm

I’m able to repeat the problem in Win 10 on a system with enough VRAM for 2 monitors, so that’s probably not it.

The developer has asked me to file a report for him.

tay.othman · May 18, 2023, 11:59pm

Atleast I see Ambient shadow, but still having a black box!

that got me excited, only to see that shaded horizong appear on my ground plane

I’m headed home to test it on my Big GPU will let you know

John_Brock · May 19, 2023, 12:02am

https://mcneel.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/RH-74862/Box-red-in-V7-and-black-in-V8

When I select the black box in V8, then while selected it does display red.

Thanks for the report and files to duplicate the problem.

tay.othman · May 19, 2023, 5:19pm

Thank you John, This covers the first half of the issue, the second half is concerning the groundplane, see below:

It is mostly related to the shadows and the dreaded horizon appearing on V8, I recorded a video to exhibit the undesirable effect.

Attached my Pender.ini for consistent testing
Pender.ini (14.1 KB)

and here is my system information:

Rhino 8 SR0 2023-5-16 (Rhino WIP, 8.0.23136.12095, Git hash:master @ 169a2fb7efa6d6e17271d883a1aee11766bbdab4)
License type: Commercial, build 2023-05-16
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2023-06-30

Windows 11 (10.0.22621 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 1.3e+02Gb)

Computer platform: DESKTOP

Hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display: NVIDIA Quadro RTX 4000 (NVidia) Memory: 8GB, Driver date: 3-16-2023 (M-D-Y).
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #0
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #1
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA A40 (NVidia) Memory: 48GB, Driver date: 3-16-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 531.41
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device!

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 3-16-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.15.3141
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 49140 MB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Doliwa Workshop\Rhino Nature\Rhino Nature.rhp “Rhino Nature” 1.0.2.42286

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk_ui.rhp “Renderer Development Kit UI”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoRoslyn.rhp “RhinoRoslyn” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCPython.rhp “RhinoCPython” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\ConstraintsUI.rhp “Constraints UI” 8.0.23136.12095
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

John_Brock · May 19, 2023, 5:24pm

We’ll probably need to work these issues separately.
I’m not involved in this development so I don’t know if they might be related.

I did just get a notice that the red/black V7/V8 issue is next up.

When that’s fixed we’ll take a look again.
Thanks

tay.othman · May 19, 2023, 6:57pm

in the meantime, I’ll keep my eyes open for any progress.
Thank you

Tay

AlanMattano · May 19, 2023, 7:29pm

Did you install rendering software? That can change your color profile somehow.

tay.othman · May 19, 2023, 7:38pm

I do have V-Ray , but I disabled it for the sake of this report, I made sure to keep “Rhino Render” as my default renderer for both cases.

AlanMattano · May 19, 2023, 7:45pm

This was not true:
Using other Bella rendering, I noticed my color profile changed when I installed it.

tay.othman · May 19, 2023, 7:55pm

It does change few things, that’s why for any troubleshooting, I’d just disable the plugins.

jdhill · May 19, 2023, 8:15pm

it should only have any effect when bella is set as the current renderer; please let me know if you see otherwise

brian · May 30, 2023, 10:11pm

RH-74862 is fixed in the latest WIP

tay.othman · May 30, 2023, 10:23pm

I confirm this is resolved, thank you.
Otherwise, the ground plane issue still persists, which I’m going to report in detail under a separate thread.

AlanMattano · June 10, 2023, 12:28am

One time in Rhino 7 I was in top view, and I rotate the camera. I can´t remember if was orthogonal or if I set it to perspective. But a camera culling or clipping plane as you show was visible. I search for it (bug, thread) but I did not find it. Was related to an orthogonal camera and not the perspective one.

tay.othman · June 10, 2023, 12:37am

If you can remember which file you had this issue with. Look it up. Other people will thank you for reporting it.