Rhino very slow on M1 Mac

I used Rhino 6 & 7 in MacBook Pro 2017 model with Intel chip and it work with an average performance. Recently I bought a MacBook Pro 16 M1 Max 2021 thinking that it would have a better performance as Rhino employees repeatedly said on this forum that it’s compatible. And it’s incredibly slow. Obviously it’s not working and exhausting to even try using it with 10 MB files will low number of surfaces.

So, RHINO 7 & RHINO WIP is not supported for Apple’s new silicon based chips. Stop saying that it does…

Unfortunately, I’m either gonna sell the MacBook and buy a HP Zbook or use different software. There’s certainly a market for MACOS 3D and rhino is not fulfilling andnot even trying to…

Shame…

Just to make sure you already tried this:

The point is Intel Mac Rhino does run on the new Macs. It does not run well.
Since you can not buy a new Intel CPU Mac, you are left with finding a late model used Mac, or a Windows PC.

We have high hopes for a binary Silicon Mac version of Rhino for V8.

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… and while it currently seems like Rhino 8 will be the solution to running Rhino on a mac with Apple Silicon, we are looking into making Rhino 7 work better than it is. But it’s not an easy thing to do…
-wim

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Dear John,
Tomatoes Tomatos, So basically you are saying : lets hope that Mcneel produces a functioning version for the new Macs? And we don’t know if that will be in this year or the next 5. Very unfortunate. Just bought a really suposingly fast MacBook Pro M1Pro-OS Monterey. And waited to buy a full Rhino version until I made the transfer from Windows to Mac. But now you tell me that my favourite 3D program will not run properly for a long time on M1Pro chips?.

Dear Wim,

When will Rhino 8 for Mac be out you think?

Yes. That’s pretty much what I’m saying.

The first 2 or 3 versions of Rosetta did not work at all.
Then a better build of the Rosetta tools came out and Intel Rhino ran pretty well. This caught everyone flat-footed.
The current performance is not good and we are not at all happy about it.
As Wim said, we are working to try to improve V7 performance.

As in all Rhino development, we do not have release dates until the work is done. For a viable V8 Mac Rhino, it will need to install and run reliably on both Intel and ARM processor Macs. That’s a new trick we need to figure out.
I am disappointed by this process and how frustrating it is for both users and us.

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Hi Ivan -

I see that you just joined this forum, welcome!
We never try to predict when a new version will be released and pretty much always just say that it will be released when it’s ready.

That said, these days I only run Rhino 7 if I absolutely need to - and that’s only when I need to test fixes that are specific to Rhino 7. As a Rhino 7 user, you can use Rhino 8 with the same license until it is ready to be released.
-wim

Thank you John. Yes, Apple is just an arrogant bunch of … And they could have done some more backstage developer preppings. a very unfortunate attitude. that being said.

Thank you for creating such an amazing program. I hope we find a solution soon or I have to throw my Macbook out.

Maybe there are better options in the mean time…

How do you use Rhino?
Is Rendering performance important to you or not?
Are your files large and complex?

Dear Wim, thank you.

This is a bit the problem, I do not have a license yet, just a 90 days trial. I used to use Rhino on Windows, recently bought a M1macbook pro.

until it its released… I assume if it will be released I am able to buy the liuscence?
I would like to buy a full licence, but of course will not buy it for a nonfunctioning Rhino 7(On Monterey) Is there a way, if the trial is over (I currently have 90 days Rhino 7), to buy the Rhino 8 licence?, or get a transfer?

Hi Ivan -

No, that’s not possible. Rhino 8 licenses won’t exist until it gets released.
-wim

Rendering not to important. I use Rhino pretty basic. for sculpture/architecture modelling . Files sometimes around 200mb. when hiding objects etc it just takes forever and computer gets stuck for seconds after seconds. What options do you know off?

The V8 WIP with TestMetal turned on should work pretty well.
If you run into issues, report them with repeatable example in the Serengeti Category so we can fix them.

If you can find a good deal on a late model Intel CPU/AMD GPU Mac, that would be good too.

Thank you. I just downloaded Rhino WIP. I only have a trial version for next 90 days on Rhino 7. How would `I be able to run Rhino WIP. is there a trial version of that if you don’t own a licence yet?, do I need to buy a licence for Rhino 7? - this would off course not really work for me.

No.
Participation in the Work-In-Progress requires you own a purchased permanent license.
Sorry.

Well, off course I am stating the obvious and I will try it again. Is there a way I can buy a Licence that eventually also works for Rhino 8 (which will work for M1Pro) Its not really attractive for me to pay that amount of money just fort a beta version and then pay again if it releases. Is there a way we can work this out? Thank you

No. Only the current Version licenses are available for purchase.
When V8 is released, if you choose to buy it, you can upgrade your previous version license for roughly half the price of a new license.

Dear Wim,Dear John

I dont know if you are the right person to address, so please, if necessary, forward this to the right person.
I am very frustrated, as `i have described in our conversation

Recab: My situation is as follows, I use Rhino sporadically for creating concepts, planning exhibitions and making cutting files.
After some years of working on my old `Windows computer. knowing my next computer was going to be a Mac again, I finally wanted to make the professional move to Buy a rhino License, which I wanted to buy once I had my MacBook.

As you can read from the conversation, there is no real solution for my situation.
I could buy a Rhino 7 License, which I can not work with on the current Macbook Pro M1 OS Monterey, and use the Beta version untill the license is there, in which case I need to buy an upgrade. This is alot of money at this time, and I really do need Rhino for my projects. But this doesnt work for me at all. I cant pay money for a license that runs a program that does not work on my computer, untill it does, in which moment I need to buy an upgrade for 500 Euros.

Please help me out, I am very much willing to buy a license for a functioning program, or even a beta version, as long as I also get a license when it will be truly running.
Is there a way I can Pay for the Rhino 8 License already? Or maybe get a discount the amount of the upgrade price? until I buy the upgrade…so I use the Beta version and upgrade it when its out? Just tyrying to find some reasonable solutions here.

If this is not possible it would be very unfortunate, I will need to start looking for another program, which will never come close, but there is no alternative for me except for spending an unfair amount of money for a program that you as a company even see as problematic on the new Macs M1 Pro Silicone, and then even hoping your beta version even works well enough. I hope you or people in your company can find a solution for this situation, or create a customized alternative for the people in this situation

Thank you,

Your program is the best, otherwise wouldn’t be writing you.

Best regards,

Ivan

i think that is actually a valid point. that one currently can not buy a recent mac for recent software without either having to buy/keep an old computer additionally which would not run recent software forcing you to either have 2 computers or pay double licences in that case.

it is a transitional situation which is asking for a transitional licence solution. McNeel could have been maybe more aware of the imminent transition which they were alerted to more than 3 years ago in this dedicated topic where they fended off all claims that much work would be needed. :man_shrugging: that rather infuriating fact aside since it is also not entirely their fault and i am not sure if they even could have prepared for it better or not, but now 20 month after the first official release of Apple SOC there are only intermittent solutions… so as confrontative as it may sound, it certainly is a valid question who shall pay?

this or V7 on Apple Silicon gets at least performance wise on par with the current intel macs… soon.

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