If there are, I’m not one of them. It aint about hate, it’s about disappointments and dismay.
Not to be maudlin, but I love my Rhino and I’ll be forever grateful it was made available on my Mac!
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Yeah, I was a little surprised at how salty people are getting, until I realised I probably don’t see most of the problems because I don’t have tool palettes. Actually, my favorite R8 feature so far is that I can display OSnaps Windows-style, meaning I can finally get rid of that useless left sidebar.
(not that I am completely free of UI problems…)
But seriously, anyone who uses Rhino regularly should think about going command-line only. You get more screen real estate, there’s less to memorize (and it’s all descriptive words in your own language), and you mostly don’t have to worry about layouts. It’s a more pleasant way to work, even if buttons are working perfectly.
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Forking! The biggest reason to not open-source is Forking!
Every Tom, Dick, Jackson, and Emil, have a ‘Better Idea’ about how things ought to be - and most of them are afu. But they would certainly love to Fork it all up!
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3 posts were split to a new topic: Please fix SafeFrame to respect portrait mode and higher resolutions
A while back Serif decided to modernize it’s software. Within about 18mo they went for a clunky UI to a fully modern Affinity Designer / Affinity Photo that works on both Mac and PC, has a unified look, a docking system that works well, very little to no glitches and all that within 200Mb of disk space.
Rhino has been at it for years, the paneling system feels glitchy the whole time, (from what I gather it doesn’t feel unified between Mac and PC) and the entire app is bloated to 2.2Gb … is all of that space really the Rhino kernel ?
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Affinity Publisher is also part of their Universal Licens and iPad OS is also supported. Affinity’s eco-system also support brushes etc developed by 3rd party developers or the usercommunity.
Stock Affinity Photo install on PC is 1gb, then the folder in users/appdata etc. is another 1gb. In the age of TB hardrives 2.2GB is small imo.
I never ever buy that argument. It comes from wasteful mindsets. Proud engineers produce compactness and elegance. Blender has a huge feature set and it’s 1Gb installed. Rhino 7 is also 1Gb installed. What the hell doubled in v8 ?
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What argument? Why does it matter to you or anyone else whether it’s 1GB or 2GB? It is a fact that this is very very little space for a software in today’s world.
5 MB harddrive being shipped by IBM - 1956.
Actually Blender is huge. They should fit it into only 5MB!
Let’s stop the unnecessary chatter and concentrate on addressing the real bugs. Comparing Blender to Rhino in such terms is like comparing apples to oranges, highlighting a lack of understanding. These software operate under distinct libraries; one is a mesh modeler, while the other encompasses mesh, nurbs, and subd modeling. Additionally, Blender requires the download of numerous plugins, further consuming additional space.
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It matters because not all of us are sitting at a desk with dsl or cable internet and essentially free fast bandwidth all the time.
During the WIP and early V8’s I was downloading the updates over Starlink or my cell plan frequently and that was far from free.
McNeel has decided, possibly correctly, that users with intermittent or low connectivity are a small minority but we do exist. This also applies to making offline documentation available for the user manual and for the API, whether it’s wanting to work while flying or being otherwise connectivity-challenged.
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Since this is labeled under Mac, we are essentially shipping two set of binaries as one with Rhino 8 where we didn’t do that in Rhino 7. That is how Mac universal binaries work. There is one set for Intel CPUs and one for ARM (silicon).
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Hello, I think this one belongs to this “frustration” thread: We are in the version 8.10! Why are bugs that were reported a long time ago still not fixed?! We cannot add custom shortcuts, Commands are missing in recent commands menu, gumball is still broken, UI looks bad… This is just a few that bothers me most, but there will be many more… I don’t even report any new bugs, because I think no one really cares! Comaperd to V5 (which I still have to use) the V8 is an absolute disaster even after 10 sub-versions!
Please the Service Release notes for 8.10, one of the larger sets of release notes.
Some are easier to fix than others, please do report and we’ll get it logged.
https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/please-read-this-if-you-are-logging-a-bug-or-issue/173971/3
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Many reported bugs have been fixed already, so the above is a misconception, we do care.
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No, I believe you guys do care, but the complaint is probably more like you don’t care enough to respect our time by shipping a new version so crippled and half-cooked, or letting bugs languish for years with only forum posts to get any attention paid to them.
I definitely identify with this:
and maybe it’s not that “no one really cares,” but that my time can’t continue to be jettisoned into space with bug reports that usually result in:
- silence
- “I’m not seeing that here”
- “we can’t do anything until we can replicate the issue”
- “here’s a youtrack from 8 years ago but we’re working on it”
every time I attempt to use the new version of software I need for my livelihood.
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So, how do YOU propose to go about fixing a problem you can’t find?
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That’s are the possible outcomes, I don’t think he meant in that order of frequency.
I’d say it’s reversed.
Most often it’s the number 4, adding that current user report to an old youtrack. That make sense, but sometime you feel alone reporting something that few other users happen to encounter…
Then 2 and 3 are the same thing. Not always it’s possible to report and/or attach something due to NDAs and such. Trying to replicate the problem in a clean document with example geometries often result in bugs not happening at all. Tricky.
The first, “silence”, often is due the fact that, if someone else, another forum member, another user, try to reply to the problem, then the discussion from outside is seen as “someone else already replied to it” , and maybe even devs oversee it.
When I report bugs, I really fear this happening: someone else try to help, give a non-working solution or a complex workaround, and then the thread is forgotten.
What to do? Start the thread title with [BUG] … ?
This is a problem for any forum, by the way.
i think hiring developers that actually use Rhino (not a critique per se but more an observation and thus a critique of some sort) as a productive tool, not as an abstract esoteric construction you keep working on but have other than work on no real relation working with, could help a lot.
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this is definitely not the way it works
I mentioned this before: feel free to @ mention any McNeel employee if you feel a topic stays unnoticed, or even when starting the topic.