Inserting a layout template crashes rhino

I have a layout template that I use frequently and insert it into my layouts as a block. It was working fine, but I made an edit to it and now it crashes my files. It works when I insert into a new file, but when I insert it into a file I have been working on it crashes.
LAYOUT TEMPLATE KL.3dm (309.8 KB)

and here is a file that crashes when it is inserted.
SPICE RACK.3dm (1.4 MB)

I am using RhinoCAM and BlockEditNew. I can disable BlockEditNew but I need to work with RhinoCAM.

hi @kirkloubier

pls run _SystemInfo and post back the results.
Do yo submit the crash reports? Those are extremely helpful to fix crash issues.
I don’t see any crash reports associated with your account you used here on discourse.

I am accidentally logged into the wrong Rhino account here on the forum, so I may need to recreate this topic after logging back in, so I receive the pertinent email replies. but here is the System info.

Rhino 8 SR14 2024-12-10 (Rhino 8, 8.14.24345.15001, Git hash:master @ cdb74b46090a23fe242c51b288886f76467a741b)
License type: Commercial, build 2024-12-10
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 11 (10.0.22631 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 64GB)
.NET 7.0.0

Computer platform: DESKTOP

Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti (NVidia) Memory: 8GB, Driver date: 12-3-2024 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 566.36
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #0
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #1

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
GPU Tessellation is: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 12-3-2024
Driver Version: 32.0.15.6636
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 8188 MB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Users\hunte\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\BlockEditNew\BlockEditNew_V8.rhp “BlockEdit” 1.0.0.0
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCAM 2024 for R8\RhinoCAM 2024 For Rhino8.0.rhp “RhinoCAM 2024 - The cutting edge CAM plug-in for Rhino 8.0 from MecSoft Corporation”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCAM 2024 for R8\RhinoArt1FileExporter For Rhino8.0.rhp “RhinoArt1FileExporter”

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.14.24345.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\WebBrowser.rhp “WebBrowser”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoScript.rhp “RhinoScript”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\IdleProcessor.rhp “IdleProcessor”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.14.24345.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.14.24345.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.14.24345.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\IronPython\RhinoDLR_Python.rhp “IronPython” 8.14.24345.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.14.24345.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.14.24345.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

Can you describe the exact steps, how you import the file, to reproduce this crash? Here it doesn’t crash in my initial test.

As a test, Disable all plugins that don’t ship with Rhino and try to import the file. If it doesn’t crash, then we know we have to find the cause in one of the plugins, if it still does, we have to look elsewhere.

For posterity, the solution I found was to insert the layout file into a new blank file with a layout, and save that new file as my new file. It recreated a setup in RhinoCAM that I had deleted in the original file, which I believe was what caused the crash. I didn’t get a message to submit a crash report when Rhino crashed. I usually do submit crash reports when prompted.