I’m curious to know how many folks are using the Adobe Substance suite with rhino and what your experiences so far are-
Especially interested in any experience with v7wip -
I’m starting to see some interesting possibilities…
thoughts?
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Hi!
Let’s start from scratch. I’d very much like to use it, but don’t know how… How do I load a .sbsar file in the material editor? Is there a Rhino plugin? Does R7 WIP come with .sbsar support? If yes, I cannot find it.
Another burning question: is it basically possible to render non-repetitive substance textures? Meaning the shaders are evaluated at rendertime, not pre-rendered tiles.
Thanks!
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@AlanMattano
Can you share your experiences? Or links to the threads you made? 
My experiences with Rhino & Substance Painter are mixed… I ran into some obstacles. Rhino’s texture mapping compatibility with other software is crucial here.
I was using Substance Designer a bit, but It wasn’t always that pretty. Sometimes I tried to modify some bought SBS brick textures. I wanted to change brick pattern and always I run into some or complications with the data flow. As far as I saw, Grasshopper is superior among all node editors in terms of data readability and possible tidiness.
I am mentioning this because I wish that Grasshopper one day will be capable to do more in bitmap field.
SBSAR files are working great inside UE4 and I would happily see them inside Rhino.
That would be amazing, but as far as I know, it is not working this way 
Some comfortable way to make & adjust procedural masks inside Rhino, to blend between two variations of the same material would be a great thing to have.
@nathanletwory Is it possible to blend two PBR materials with procedural noise from your Cycles Grasshopper nodes?
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Check this one https://academy.substance3d.com/courses/Creating-endless-textures-with-Substance-Designer-and-3DsMax/youtube-FuPQNIx3dh8
I made attempt to create mix of bercon tiles with multi texture as plugin as rhino native texture but i had big issues with quality of those during texture evaluation and left it in the middle. Maybe someone could deliver such solution quicker.
About the topic i use substance designer mostly and dont know other workflow than just exporting maps out of it and then feeding desired renderer.
Should Rhino support those directly? Hell yeah.
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they do now… just export the maps from substance or alchemy, make a PBR and use the “create from texture files” option.
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Nah… Sorry didn’t explained directly for me means support of sbsar and sbs files. Reading textures doesnt have much in common with being direct just less clicks. PBR workflow was availible there long time ago in other engines and lets say from 3-4 yrs is industry standard. My point is that direct substance suite support is different from pbr support. For eg. live link to substance painter would be good example of support.
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Kyle,
thanks for that screenshot, interesting!
However, this ‘Create from Texture Files’ trick of the ‘Physically Based’ shader isn’t more than a convenience feature for loading multiple textures (better than nothing at least).
What has to be set by hand then is 1) the map’s intensities the creator of the original sbsar material intended them to have, and 2) the shading model (metal, non-metal etc.).
I’m not an expert in the field of materials/shading (although no complete noob either), but an explicit way to load sbsar files into Rhino would be really great. So I second Przemysław here!
Thanks!
It’s coming.
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As Andy mentioned sbsar support is coming… it likely won’t be a “live link” but it will import of the material directly.
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Thanks, great news!!
Hello! sbsar direct import ain’t possible yet, is it? Please tell me I missed it.
Cheers!
not yet, but I’ve been told it’s coming-
It will be a part of the rendering engine or it will be a part of Rhino itself with API access?
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@andy is the man for that question.
It will be as a plug-in.
What do you mean with that?
Well i can imagine that for eg i will expose color variation param in sbs and allow user to provide few colors and this way i could change look of many elements with single substance definition. Color is simple example but let say we have procedural leaf young,mid,old,dead in a double param in range of 0-1. Being able to steer that on demand gives huge posibilites.
Besides being able to code something on top would/could allow to do this without manual part using single sbs file - ahh this would be holy grail such power and so elegant.
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The second version of the plug-in will expose sbsar file parameters in the Rhino GUI.
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Cool though it doesn’t guarantee any code access to it. By the way does this kind of integration implies some kind of agreement with Adobe? Or Substance API is availble widely?
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I don’t believe the plug-in will have any kind of API.
With regard to Substance SDK see this topic on their forum.
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Hey all, we just released a Substance Material importer plugin for Rhino 7.
Substance Importer enables SBSAR as a file format which can be imported into the Rhino material editor using either “Import from Material Library…” or by drag and drop. This is mainly for use with Substance Alchemy and Designer.
This is the first stage of this plugin, we will continue to add functionality to this plugin.
To Install, simply go to the PackageManager command in Rhino and search for SubStanceImporter - Reading Substance Materials
Then click on install.
There is a very quick video on the plugin:
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