I am working on a drawing in Rhino WIP Mac and when rendering the drawing an older drawing appears as a ghost behind the drawing and also after a retrace that same drawing appears again as a ghost. That same drawing is not open in another window but was created in the WIP version.
Hi Joe -
Could you post the output from the Rhino SystemInfo, a few images, and a 3dm file? I’m having a hard time imagining what you are looking at.
-wim
Rhino 9 SR0 2025-4-22 (Rhino WIP, 9.0.25112.12306, Git hash:master @ e89cfd18f53df8ca9b55968f273fc03519e3d33c)
License type: Educational, build 2025-04-22
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2025-06-06
Apple macOS Version 15.4.1 (Build 24E263) (Physical RAM: 128GB)
Mac Model Identifier: iMac20,2
Language: en
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iMac (2560 x 1440)
GPU Vendor: AMD
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Wacom Co.,Ltd.: CTL-672
Apple: Headset
Apple Inc.: Ambient Light Sensor
Apple Inc.: FaceTime HD Camera (Built-in)
Apple Inc.: Apple T2 Controller
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Hello Wim,
Here are two images, the first is normal and the second has the ghost image of another drawing superimposed on the 12 sided form.
Hello Wim,
I am not sure where to start but there seems to be many problems with the renderer in WIP 9 Mac. I sent you a couple of screen shots showing the ghost image behind my drawing that appears either when starting reytrace or exiting raytrace. You will see below a better example.
First however, I made a drawing that I completed a few weeks ago and I opened it recently to change something and when I used the retrace mode two colors on two surfaces(red and gray) disappeared and I was left with the blue that you see below. What seems to happen is the two surfaces that are colored disappear during the rendering. When I first finished the drawing I rendered it without difficulty. I did not save any changes when I opened it recently so when I open it again all is well except when I try to render it either with retrace or the renderer.
Also, when in raytrace and I want to go back to the shaded or render mode the right click on the mouse has great difficulty to bring up the panel with the different mode choices. I have to go to the menu bar and even then it does not react in a reasonable time.
Lastly, I have the impression that when pressing Command Z you can’t go back.
Joe
