Dimensions change when moved

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Hello,

I’m having a massive problem with dimensions in layout changing (unpredictably) when they are moved. I frequently move detail views and dimensions around the page as I am assembling a drawing and this is becoming a massive problem with drawings being published without me noticing the numbers are now wrong. They seem to be dimensioning to the detail view itself (so a 1:50 detail view with a dimension on it will read 3650mm correctly and will change to 73 which is no longer correct)

Under my History setting I always have both Record and Record Annotation History turned off. Broken History Warning is turned on but over ridden by my other controls. History Purge does nothing either.

Could this be a problem with the dimension settings themselves? Have never had this happen before and have been using Rhino 7 for 6 months now.

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Hi Marina -

Please run the Rhino SystemInfo command and copy-paste the result here.
-wim

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Hello - Can you please post a file, or send one to tech@mcneel.com, that shows the problem? As small and simple as possible, so long as it shows the problem, would be best.

-Pascal

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This seems to be the same problem I’m having (Rhino 7, Windows 10.) I only recently started doing page layout work in Rhino, and I’ve had this error occur repeatedly, although running an Undo command ‘fixed’ the symptom.

I have all my dimensions in the page layout space - I’ll go into a detail, usually to change layer visibilities, and when I exit back out into paper space, all dimensions have moved and collapsed, usually far outside the page layout space - they’re often reduced to a zero dimension. If I undo after exiting from the detail immediately after this occurs, everything’s fine, but if I ‘miss’ the issue, and continue working, I end up in a situation where I have to re-dimension the entire sheet.

I don’t have a before and after, but I’ve posted an adjacent layout with the dimensions in the proper position to give an idea of what it starts out like. The collapsed dimensions are on the lower left side of the image, off the printable area.

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I have similar issues. Dim lines in layouts are still very skittish. Making any changes to the model almost always results with broken or missing dim lines that get teleported off the screen just as you’ve documented.

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Similar issues here - I’ve learnt not to dimension a drawing until I’m confident that I have all my detail views arranged as I would like

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If you have repeatable cases of such behavior in a recent build of Rhino 8, please post those here or send them to tech@mcneel.com so that this can be fixed.
-wim

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Hi Wim,

I think I’ve got a good example for you. Here’s a typical outcome while attempting to dimension a floorplan. I’ll message you the model.

Thanks for looking into it! It’s a major tripping hazard and has resulted in a frustrating amount of double work. Fixing this would be huge.

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Worth noting, this can also be caused by changing the position of the dimension text.

Edit: After taking some notes, it can also be caused by adjusting the length of the dim leaders, clicking through the detail to edit any object, resizing the detail, moving unrelated geometry in the layout, etc.

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Thanks for that file, Clayton!
The problem with this is that, generally, when dimensions have been “damaged”, it’s impossible to know why that is the case. We’d need a way to create a dimension, do something, and see the dimension get damaged.

Trying that in both a new file and in your file doesn’t seem to do that on my end.

So far, I’m able to get dimensions to go haywire by resizing the detail.
I see that this was already on the list as RH-72038 Dimensions get misaligned when scaling a layout
Mikko is now looking into this one and has found an issue with Gumball scaling (but I’m also seeing it when using Scale1D) and sees a display update glitch of some kind. Moving the detail or activating/deactivating corrects this.
-wim

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RH-72038 is fixed in Rhino 8 Service Release 18 Release Candidate

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Necro post

I am having these problems But only recently.

On Both my Home computer and Laptop.

It’s very frustrating

If i update history they do the same thing.

If i purge the history it’s ok

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Hi Nosaj -

I’m unable to reproduce that behavior here.
Do you have step-by-step instructions on how to make that happen?
-wim

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Hi Wim,

No,Not really the drawing is quite involved,I suspect it’s history related so i am just purging it,#

Maybe it’s still locked to a block i have changed,Or something…