Why Can I never get _scale to work?

[ambrose_bill]

Methodology
select item (in this instance an image)
type scale
@ Base Point (press enter for automatic) type [Enter]
@ Scale Factor or first reference point type [4]

result nothing happens

why is this ?

[wim (Wim Dekeyser)]

Hi Bill -

@ambrose_bill

why is this ?

Good question, that works fine here.
Please post both a 3dm file that can be used to troubleshoot and the output of the Rhino SystemInfo command.
-wim

[ambrose_bill]

Thanks Wim, I created a ‘clean’ file without any copyright stuff and lo and behold it works perfectly !! very odd… can I send original file privately ? what’s the best way to do that ?

[wim (Wim Dekeyser)]

Hi Bill -

@ambrose_bill

can I send original file privately ? what’s the best way to do that ?

Use Rhino Accounts and make sure to put a link to this thread in the comments field.
-wim

[ambrose_bill]

Thanks Wim,
I’ve done that now,

[wim (Wim Dekeyser)]

Hi Bill -

@ambrose_bill

I’ve done that now,

I looked at your file and am afraid that works just fine here.
Could you please add the SystemInfo data here?
-wim

[ambrose_bill]

I’m away from my PC until Monday
This is a System Info i posted on previous post - nothing much has changed other than auto-updates of Windows / Rhino / Intel drivers… although will post up to date on Monday
Rhino 8 SR14 2024-11-27 (Rhino 8, 8.14.24332.15001, Git hash:master @ 88c7b9834e34675b017e14ad488ef774e444793d)
License type: Commercial, build 2024-11-27
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 11 (10.0.22631 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 64GB)
.NET 7.0.7

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [71% battery remaining]

Hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display: Intel(R) UHD Graphics (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 3-22-2021 (M-D-Y).

Integrated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)

• Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
  Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU (NVidia) Memory: 6GB, Driver date: 9-26-2024 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 565.90

Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)

• Video pass-through to primary display device

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
GPU Tessellation is: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 8x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 9-26-2024
Driver Version: 32.0.15.6590
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 6 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.14.24332.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\AnimationTools.rhp “AnimationTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.14.24332.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.14.24332.15001
C:\Users\ambro\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\8.0\PanelingTools\2024.8.20.677\PanelingTools.rhp “PanelingTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.14.24332.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.14.24332.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.14.24332.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

[jeremy5 (Jeremy)]

Hi Bill,

Do you perchance have the Rigid option in Scale turned on? The Rigid option keeps objects the same size, while altering the spacing between them. To scale objects you need it turned off:

HTH
Jeremy

[ambrose_bill]

No, but thanks. I wasn’t aware of that option

[ambrose_bill]

Here’s correct systeminfo

Rhino 8 SR17 2025-3-4 (Rhino 8, 8.17.25063.13001, Git hash:master @ c65802ca75d5024ddf5b5197f19835a008a846a2)
License type: Commercial, build 2025-03-04
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 11 (10.0.26100 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 64GB)
.NET 7.0.7

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [78% battery remaining]

Hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display: Intel(R) UHD Graphics (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 3-22-2021 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Laptop lid is possibly closed
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #1
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU (NVidia) Memory: 6GB, Driver date: 12-3-2024 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 566.36
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Video pass-through to primary display device

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
GPU Tessellation is: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 8x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 12-3-2024
Driver Version: 32.0.15.6636
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 6 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Users\ambro\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\8.0\Plug-ins\Bella (813de3fb-18eb-405f-bfcd-b0b4d3da91fb)\24.6.0.0\bella_rhino.rhp “Bella” 24.6.0.0

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.17.25063.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoLabsTools.rhp “Rhino Labs Tools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\AnimationTools.rhp “AnimationTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.17.25063.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.17.25063.13001
C:\Users\ambro\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\8.0\PanelingTools\2024.8.20.677\PanelingTools.rhp “PanelingTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.17.25063.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.17.25063.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.17.25063.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

[mary (Mary Ann Fugier)]

Hi Bill,
First, you should disable Bella and test.
Go to Options → Plugins and search for Bella. Uncheck and restart Rhino. Test.

That is really the only difference between your computer and mine.
Keep watching for a repeatable set of steps.
If we can repeat it here, we can get it logged.

FYI, there is a newer nvidia driver for you get at your convenience.

Sincerely,
Mary Fugier

[ambrose_bill]

It’s not Bella… I had this issue before installing Bella
Could well be user error… I just can’t work out how !?

[jeremy5 (Jeremy)]

Hi Bill,

Is it just the image that won’t scale or anything at all in that file?

Regards
Jeremy

[ambrose_bill]

It’s a recurring problem i have … primarily (almost exclusively) with image files