What determines the layer sort order in Rhino

Rhino
#1

What determines the layer sort order in Rhino? The sort option (tool) whether checked or unchecked seems to have no effect on reopen. Consistency here would be a great help. When reviewing files by layer the constant unwanted sorting is a huge annoyance (not to mention waste of time).

What am I doing wrong?

#2

I’m not sure I understand this, as the user determine the sort order. Perhaps you could further define your question?

The Column Sort setting is an application-wide setting, not a per-document setting. It enables or disables column sorting - the ability to click on a column header to sort the layer list in ascending or descending order. Some users inadvertently click in column headers. So we provide the ability to disable it.

Does this help?

– Dale

#3

Ive noticed that when I save a file with a specific layer order, it is rarely in the same order when reopened. I’m curious as to whether this is a setting ive missed?

#4

Hi -

Can you systematically reproduce that behavior?
If so, please provide the necessary steps and the output of the Rhino SystemInfo command.
-wim

#5

Yes, it is consistent but not reproduceable on demand (happens 9 out of 10 times). I should mention this is when saving to DWG files.

Steps:
Save a multi-layer DWG file.
Arrange the layers to a specific order.
Save file.
Reopen File.

Rhino 7 SR20 2022-7-12 (Rhino 7, 7.20.22193.09001, Git hash:master @ 9b19bfdb8c343dd6fa8df3514068defd72273d6f)
License type: Commercial, build 2022-07-12
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 10 (10.0.19044 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 32Gb)

Computer platform: DESKTOP

Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2000 (NVidia) Memory: 5GB, Driver date: 6-23-2022 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 516.59
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #0
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #1

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 6-23-2022
Driver Version: 31.0.15.1659
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 5 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Users\wm_c\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\7.0\IntelDenoiser\0.6.4\IntelDenoiser.Windows.rhp “IntelDenoiser.Windows” 0.6.4.0
C:\Users\wm_c\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\7.0\NVIDIADenoiser\0.4.3\NVIDIADenoiser.Windows.rhp “NVIDIADenoiser.Windows” 0.4.3.0

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 7.20.22193.9001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 7.20.22193.9001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 7.20.22193.9001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\rdk_ui.rhp “Renderer Development Kit UI”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 7.20.22193.9001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 7.20.22193.9001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”

#6

Hi -

That explains it. Layer order in dwg/dxf export and import is undefined.
The request to make this predictable is on the list as RH-32796.
-wim

#7

Ah ok, thank you sir!

#8

Hello- where dioes this step take place? In another app, or?

-Pascal

#9

Nope I only use Rhino, unless someone puts a gun to my head.

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#10

Wim, will this be part of an upcoming r7 update?

#11

Hi Walt,
that YouTrack issue was created 6 years ago and is currently on the “Future” list. That means that, currently, this is not something that is considered for Rhino 8.
-wim

#12

Thank you for the honest answer Wim.

I understand that all updates are based on priority. I would in good spirit, like to make the following analogy.

If every morning your coders opened their visual studio and their code was saved in a different order, but still compiled, how big an annoyance would that be? :slight_smile:

#13

Can you please be more specific than this? I am unable to reproduce the behavior you’re reporting and I want to make sure I am following your directions correctly.

Thanks,

– Dale

#15

Hi Dale,

Save any file that has multiple layers, as a DWG file.

For instance, a current file I’m working on, after three saves and subsequent file opens I got the following:

First Open
Open-1

2nd Open
same as above but inverted layout (no image) - no save

3rd Open
Open-2

This was the result after a file save, closed and reopened (with nothing changed).

I had a co-worker also run a test on his computer with the same random results (different file).
He also mentioned it not only shuffled the layers but also selected a different active layer.
This never happens when saving as 3DM. (unfortunately, this is not an option for us).

#16

Hi @wm_c,

I’ve added a reference to your comments on this issue.

https://mcneel.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/RH-48103

– Dale

#17

Thank you, Dale.