Very unstable

Serengeti (Rhino WIP)
1

It’s incredible.
Now the latest beta every 5 minutes hangs or crashes, it’s very unstable.
I have to kill the app every time. It’s impossible to work now with Rhino 8 WIP.
Previous betas were much more stable.

Rhino 8 SR0 2023-9-5 (Rhino WIP, 8.0.23248.12305, Git hash:master @ 911d9b123ed243f28caa260da41f22e0d3383b5a)
License type: Commerciale, build 2023-09-05
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2023-10-20

Windows 10 (10.0.19045 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 96Gb)

Computer platform: DESKTOP

Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: AMD Radeon Pro 580X (AMD) Memory: 8GB, Driver date: 5-12-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.14761 Compatibility Profile Context FireGL 21.30.44.18 30.0.13044.18017
> Accelerated graphics device with 7 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port 0

Secondary graphics devices.
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti (NVidia) Memory: 11GB, Driver date: 8-4-2023 (M-D-Y).
> Accelerated graphics device with 8 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device!
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (NVidia) Memory: 11GB, Driver date: 8-4-2023 (M-D-Y).
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device!
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti (NVidia) Memory: 11GB, Driver date: 8-4-2023 (M-D-Y).
> Accelerated graphics device with 0 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device!

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: ATI Technologies Inc.
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60
Driver Date: 5-12-2023
Driver Version: 30.0.13044.18017
Maximum Texture size: 16384 x 16384
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 16384 x 16384
Total Video Memory: 8 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Users\gabriele\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\7.0\NVIDIADenoiser\0.4.3\NVIDIADenoiser.Windows.rhp “NVIDIADenoiser.Windows” 0.4.3.0
C:\Users\gabriele\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\7.0\IntelDenoiser\0.6.4\IntelDenoiser.Windows.rhp “IntelDenoiser.Windows” 0.6.4.0
C:\ProgramData\McNeel\Rhinoceros\7.0\Plug-ins\Datasmith Rhino Exporter (d1fdc795-b334-4933-b680-088119cdc6bb)\DatasmithRhino7.rhp “Datasmith Exporter” 5.2.1.0
C:\Program Files\Chaos Group\V-Ray\V-Ray for Rhinoceros\V8\VRayForRhino.rhp “V-Ray for Rhino”

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.0.23248.12305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.0.23248.12305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.0.23248.12305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.0.23248.12305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.0.23248.12305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.0.23248.12305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.0.23248.12305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

2

Can you run SystemInfo and post the results?

3

Done.
No matter if I use the AMD or Nvidia gpu. The latest beta is super unstable.
It’s hard to work with this release.
I can send my scene to developers. It’s an imported dwg drawing with tons of blocks lines and hatches. It’s the typical Autocad drawing.
Now I’m build the 3d model, very often hiding/unhiding the drawings Rhinoceros hangs.

4

I think we need to remove all 3rd party plugins and superfluous video cards and start adding things back one by one to understand what is going on here.

5

Hi,
I’d like to demonstrate you what happens now with the latest Rhino 8 WIP.
I created two videos, first using the AMD gpu as main Windows output, second using one of the two Nvidia RTX2080Ti installed in my workstation.
The bug is replicable on my system.
I want to say that I used Rhino 7 on this system for 3 years without any glitch.

Rhino 8 SR0 2023-9-5 (Rhino WIP, 8.0.23248.12305, Git hash:master @ 911d9b123ed243f28caa260da41f22e0d3383b5a)
License type: Commerciale, build 2023-09-05
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2023-10-20

Windows 10 (10.0.19045 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 96Gb)

Computer platform: DESKTOP

Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti (NVidia) Memory: 11GB, Driver date: 8-4-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 536.99
> Accelerated graphics device with 8 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #0

Secondary graphics devices.
AMD Radeon Pro 580X (AMD) Memory: 8GB, Driver date: 5-12-2023 (M-D-Y).
> Accelerated graphics device with 7 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device!
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (NVidia) Memory: 11GB, Driver date: 8-4-2023 (M-D-Y).
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device!
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti (NVidia) Memory: 11GB, Driver date: 8-4-2023 (M-D-Y).
> Accelerated graphics device with 0 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device!

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 8-4-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.15.3699
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 11 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Users\gabriele\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\7.0\NVIDIADenoiser\0.4.3\NVIDIADenoiser.Windows.rhp “NVIDIADenoiser.Windows” 0.4.3.0
C:\Users\gabriele\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\7.0\IntelDenoiser\0.6.4\IntelDenoiser.Windows.rhp “IntelDenoiser.Windows” 0.6.4.0
C:\ProgramData\McNeel\Rhinoceros\7.0\Plug-ins\Datasmith Rhino Exporter (d1fdc795-b334-4933-b680-088119cdc6bb)\DatasmithRhino7.rhp “Datasmith Exporter” 5.2.1.0
C:\Program Files\Chaos Group\V-Ray\V-Ray for Rhinoceros\V8\VRayForRhino.rhp “V-Ray for Rhino”

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.0.23248.12305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.0.23248.12305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.0.23248.12305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.0.23248.12305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.0.23248.12305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.0.23248.12305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.0.23248.12305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

6

Merged duplicate threads.

7

Hi,
I’ve just downloaded the latest build and recorded another video.
Now Rhino crashes after 4 clicks and not 5…How’s possible?

Rhino 8 SR0 2023-9-8 (Rhino WIP, 8.0.23251.10305, Git hash:master @ 772ee36a2f28b5d66c2a41da16bcc623f0c6b304)
License type: Commerciale, build 2023-09-08
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2023-10-23

Windows 10 (10.0.19045 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 96Gb)

Computer platform: DESKTOP

Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: AMD Radeon Pro 580X (AMD) Memory: 8GB, Driver date: 5-12-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.14761 Compatibility Profile Context FireGL 21.30.44.18 30.0.13044.18017
> Accelerated graphics device with 7 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #0

Secondary graphics devices.
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti (NVidia) Memory: 11GB, Driver date: 8-4-2023 (M-D-Y).
> Accelerated graphics device with 8 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device!
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (NVidia) Memory: 11GB, Driver date: 8-4-2023 (M-D-Y).
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device!
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti (NVidia) Memory: 11GB, Driver date: 8-4-2023 (M-D-Y).
> Accelerated graphics device with 0 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device!

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: ATI Technologies Inc.
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60
Driver Date: 5-12-2023
Driver Version: 30.0.13044.18017
Maximum Texture size: 16384 x 16384
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 16384 x 16384
Total Video Memory: 8 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Users\gabriele\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\7.0\NVIDIADenoiser\0.4.3\NVIDIADenoiser.Windows.rhp “NVIDIADenoiser.Windows” 0.4.3.0
C:\Users\gabriele\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\7.0\IntelDenoiser\0.6.4\IntelDenoiser.Windows.rhp “IntelDenoiser.Windows” 0.6.4.0
C:\ProgramData\McNeel\Rhinoceros\7.0\Plug-ins\Datasmith Rhino Exporter (d1fdc795-b334-4933-b680-088119cdc6bb)\DatasmithRhino7.rhp “Datasmith Exporter” 5.2.1.0
C:\Program Files\Chaos Group\V-Ray\V-Ray for Rhinoceros\V8\VRayForRhino.rhp “V-Ray for Rhino”

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.0.23251.10305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.0.23251.10305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.0.23251.10305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.0.23251.10305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.0.23251.10305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.0.23251.10305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.0.23251.10305
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
D:\Rhino 8 WIP\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

8

hi @gabrielefx did you submit the crash report?

I cannot reproduce the behavior you are getting, so the above will be super important, thanks!

9

You were told it’s time to disable all your plugins and physically remove video cards to narrow down what’s going on. Obviously everyone else is not seeing this.

What is even the point of having more than your 2080Ti’s? The 1080 isn’t much slower, but the newer ones have RTX, it could be dragging down the whole operation. The 580 is just junk by comparison, this idea of having a junky OpenGL display card to save the CUDA cards is silly, I used to have 4 1080Ti’s and never saw any justification for that myth.

10

I have also noticed more crashes. working with blocks shows many bugs and everything involving raytraced display mode is shure to make rhino crash after some time.

11

I don’t know much about GeForce cards, but I’m curious: Is there any significance to the fact that Rhino SystemInfo reports 8 adapter ports for the first one and zero for the second? (I’m assuming the cards are identical.)

12

I can’t uninstall the gpus only to understand why Rhino 8 does’t work properly.
I work 24/7 with gpu renderers, Vray and Fstorm, I can’t stop my work.
Today I saved all my Rhino 8 projects to the 7 version.
Rhino 7 works super smooth, I’ve never had issues, also it is faster than the 8 WIP in every operation, it seems another cad program.
Rhino 8 WIP crashes also with the RTX2080Ti, it’s not a gpu/driver issue.

13

This is another example on how it’s easy to crash Rhinoceros on my system.
Previous Rhino 8 WIP betas worked very well except for a lag on graphic transformations.
This issue was fixed but now we have another bug.

14

There’s literally no other way to begin to fix these issues that only you are having. None. Video clips and fifteen threads of complaints doesn’t do anything.

15

@gabrielefx we did receive your crash report; thank you. We will start investigating right away.

16

@gabrielefx did this crash seem to start with the latest WIP? It would be helpful to know so we can narrow in on the cause.

17

I found the bug in the latest two betas, the latest one was released yesterday, the previous one 3-4 days ago.
The only issue I have found was the texture bug, zooming in-out the picture applied to a plane changed its transparency automatically.
Then it was released a new beta fixing this texture issue but introducing the bug on the menus.

Last week I worked every day with the 8 WIP without any critical issue.

18

Hi -

Here’s a link to last week’s WIP. Could you install that and confirm that this one doesn’t crash?
-wim

19

Hi Wim,

what happens if I uninstall Rhino 8 WIP from the Windows control panel? Do I loose all menus positions? Do I neen to re-arrage all menus?
Your installer doesn’t permit to install an old version, I must use the Windows uninstaller first.

20

Hi -

We uninstall and install older versions all the time and I haven’t personally run into issues with that. Of course, if such is important to you, you’d export and take a backup of the window layout even if you are not uninstalling.
-wim