Rotating/panning the viewport on my laptop has been quick since I had encountered slow display a few months ago.
Today, I hooked up to a large 2nd display via the display port and experienced lag mostly in when the perspective view is maximised, or quite large. When in multiple viewport mode, seems ok.
Any ideas why this is happening?
Thanks
Hi @sach,
Some questions and requests:
Help -> System Information...?Thanks,
-David
Rhino 6 SR1 2018-2-6 (Rhino 6, 6.1.18037.13441, Git hash:master @ 5a33e6871b94d32ba552468218cef0ad8d3d1263)
Windows 10.0 SR0.0 or greater (Physical RAM: 16Gb)
Quadro K1100M/PCIe/SSE2 (OpenGL ver:4.6.0 NVIDIA 388.16)
OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Anti-alias mode: 8x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: Height
Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: NA
Driver Version: NA
Maximum Texture size: 16384 x 16384
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 16384 x 16384
Total Video Memory: 2 GB
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp âCommandsâ
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp âRenderer Development Kitâ
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp âRhino Renderâ
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp âRDK_EtoUIâ
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\rdk_ui.rhp âRenderer Development Kit UIâ
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp âSnapshotsâ
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp âRhinoCyclesâ
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp âToolbarsâ
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp â3Dconnexion 3D Mouseâ
C:\Program Files\Rhino 6\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp âDisplacementâ
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I donât have the display currently as it was a clientâs. I donât know the res, but suspect it was at least 4k.
I tried all display modes at their defaults.
Thanks,
Sach
I would suggest you download the latest Quadro drivers from this link: http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/130642/en-us.
After you have installed them and rebooted your computer, could you paste me the System Information again from Rhino?
-David
Hello
Iâve updated the Quadro drivers, and Rhino to v6.2.
Iâm still experiencing lag when connected to a second display in the âExtendâ display mode. From a Dell Precision M3800 laptop with a 4K display and Quadro K1100M to a Dell monitor via the HMDI port.
The models are instant on the laptop, but when moving the Rhino working window upto the 2nd display it significantly slowsâŚ
Iâve just tested exactly the same thing in v5, and the issue is not there.
Itâs a bit frustrating that this hasnât been resolved in the full release of v6.
Could you help?
Thanks,!!
Sach
@jeff Do you know what might be happening here? Ever heard of things slowing down when dragging Rhino to another screen powered by the same GPU?
Hi @sach,
Letâs do a test:
Help -> System Information...
File -> Exit.Help -> System Information... again. Does Rhino still use the Quadro or some other GPU?-David
Doing this now! Will get back in a few minutes.
Sach
Director
Sach Chauhan Ltd.
It uses the QuadroâŚ
Sach
Director
Sach Chauhan Ltd.
To note that the main laptop display is 3840x2160 and the 2nd is 1920x1200.
The problem doesnât exist when using the âDuplicateâ mode where both
displays are showing the same. Although the 2nd display in this case seems
to reconfigure itâs resolution. Things get a bit bigger and seem to be
lower DPI.
Thanks,
Sach
Sach
Director
Sach Chauhan Ltd.
Does turning off AA make any difference? This could be GPU memory-related.
No disabling AA has no effect. Doing anything, even simple things like picking an object or an icon is slow.
It seems to be the whole application that slows, not just spinning the modelâŚ
Thanks
Did you disable the AA and then restart Rhino?
Also, after following Davidâs steps where Rhino starts up on the external monitorâŚwere things slow then? Or do you have to move Rhino over to the laptop before things get slow again?
This all sounds like configuration issues, none of which sounds like Rhino can know or do anything aboutâŚbut there may be something you can do on your end with the configuration settings and the NV Control Panel, weâll have to see if we can reproduce this situation in the lab and then see if anything can be done about it from a configuration point of viewâŚbut Iâm doubtful that thereâs anything Rhino will be able to do.
-Jeff
Thanks Jeff.
Itâs not happening with v5. Why I that?
Thanks.
Sach Chauhan
Slow all the time only in 2nd display. Laptop is always fine even when dragging the Rhino window back and forth between the screens.
Sach Chauhan
I think thatâs indicative of a resource issueâŚV5 uses probably around 1% of your GPUâs resources⌠V6 will use 100% of your GPUâs resources if it needs to. Just to give an exampleâŚ
Your laptop is running at 3840 x 2160⌠which means just the screen alone requires a minimum of 32MB of video memory just to store what youâre seeing on your desktop. Each viewport in Rhino V6 is managed by a Multi-sampled frame buffer and a single frame buffer⌠A frame buffer consists of a 32bit RGBA buffer and a 32bit floating point Depth and Stencil bufferâŚand take note what I said aboveâŚthere are two frame buffers per viewport (a sampled one (AA) and a non-sampled one).
Given that, letâs make things simple to work with⌠Suppose when Rhino starts up it uses the screen real estate uniformly ⌠So a 4 view layout means that you would have 4 views each running at 1920x1080⌠So lets break down the memory usageâŚ
1 Viewport would be:
1 Sampled Color Buffer at 1980 x 1080 x 4 x AA ⌠so for 8x AA thatâs 1980x1080x32 = ~65MB
1 Sampled floating point Depth/Stencil buffer at 1980x1080 x 4 x AA ⌠again, at 8x thatâs ~65MB
1 Non-sampled Color buffer at 1980 x 1080 x 4 = ~8MB
1 Non-sampled floating point Depth/Stencil buffer at 1980x1080x4 = ~8MB
âŚfor a grand total of 65 + 65 + 8 + 8 = ~145MB âŚjust in buffers alone
Since there are 4 viewports, thatâs 4 x 145, which is roughly 580MB of video memory that must be managed contiguous memory by the drivers⌠Thatâs over 25% of your current VRam that you currently haveâŚand thatâs just talking about the frame buffers⌠Thereâs also the screen buffer I mentioned, which is another 32MB, and now thrown in your second monitor, which now also requires a block of contiguous memory just to manage what you see on it âŚ
Rhino V6 then also starts allocating GPU memory for almost every thing you see in your model⌠So things can start adding up quickly⌠Now, I realize that so far Iâve only accounted for about 35% of your VRamâŚbut you asked why V5 doesnât show this problemâŚand Iâm guessing because V5 doesnât instantly use up 25% of your video memory just to start up and create a 4View layout.
Whether this is actually the reason is purely speculation on my partâŚ
-Jeff
P.S. How the drivers choose to manage the memory once it becomes largely blocked like this is also a factor, and an unknown on my part.
Jeff.
Thanks for the in-depth answer. Itâs very detailed and gives me an idea if the complexityâŚ
Do you think that this can be solved?
Thanks,
Sach Chauhan
I doubt thereâs much they can do, as Jeff says the drivers have a big say on how the memory gets managed, and 2 GB just isnât a lot of video memory for 3D these daysâI used to have 2 GTX 970s and the limiting factor on their image quality in SLI games was that they only had 4 GB of memory, and Iâm not at 4K resolution.
People have been asking since the days when Matrox was a name in 3D video cards for Rhino to make more extensive use of the hardware, now that it doesâŚwell itâs going to make more demands on your hardware.
Thanks @JimCarruthers
So I guess I may need to look at upgrading to to faster card??
@jeff Can you confirm if upgrading the card would solve this? Would be great to know how your test goes!
If so, any ideas what to update to in a slim body Dell Precision M3800 laptop to enable smooth running on a second display??
Appreciate all the pointers here. I know nothing about hardware specs so need some direction now that v6 depends on it.
Thank you.