I dare say that we are relatively unusual in running AutoCAD and Rhino in partnership with each other - both having their uses for 3d modelling & presentation?
Anyway we have noticed that Rhino-8 will crash AutoCAD (2025 & 2024) if run at the same time. This applies across our company, so not limited to one system. This is not the case with Rhino-7. The first release of R-8 messed with the palettes in Autocad (causing them to go blank) but the latest update simply locks-up Autocad requiring a forced quit & re-load.
This is a Windows 11 based problem.
Any thoughts on a cure? It would be good to run Rhino-8 without worrying about this problem.
Thanks. JP
Hi jadp90,
I recently installed Autocad 2025 and haven’t seen any issues. Are there steps i can do to repeat beside just having both open? Are there error messages, if so those would be good to see. Thanks
Japhy,
Alas no error dialogues.
AutoCAD just crashes & pops up the Autodesk “report a fault” dialogue - there are error files present, but they are not human readable.
The attached screenshot shows blank or whitewashed toolbars & palettes prior to the crash.
On this trial Acad only fell over after I had closed the dwg & tried to reopen it.
JP
If you aren’t running Rhino.Inside.Autocad this might simply be a display configuration issue (video card setup)
Please run SystemInfo in the Rhino command line and post the result. thanks
Here you go:
Rhino 8 SR9 2024-7-12 (Rhino 8, 8.9.24194.18121, Git hash:master @ 785b9fde79bb684d22aab317998f7195a8c27c14)
License type: Commercial, build 2024-07-12
License details: Cloud Zoo
Windows 11 (10.0.22621 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 32GB)
.NET 7.0.14
Computer platform: DESKTOP
Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro RTX 4000 (NVidia) Memory: 8GB, Driver date: 5-23-2024 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 552.55
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #0
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #1
OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)
Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High
Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 5-23-2024
Driver Version: 31.0.15.5255
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 8 GB
Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Users\jadp9\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\7.0\Plug-ins\Lumion LiveSync for Rhino (839d6175-32d1-4ffe-a0a4-b7fb43cf0ff5)\2021.3.25.899\Lumion\Rhino 7.0\LumionPlugin.rhp “Lumion LiveSync for Rhino”
C:\Program Files\Bongo 2.0 (64-bit)\Rhino6\Bongo.20.rhp “Bongo 2.0”
C:\Users\jadp9\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\7.0\NVIDIADenoiser\0.4.3\NVIDIADenoiser.Windows.rhp “NVIDIADenoiser.Windows” 0.4.3.0
C:\Program Files\Bongo 2.0 (64-bit)\BongoUI.20.v60.rhp “BongoUI20v60”
Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.9.24194.18121
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.9.24194.18121
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.9.24194.18121
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.9.24194.18121
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.9.24194.18121
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.9.24194.18121
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”
Thanks, not seeing any red flags in your display config.
Normally I wouldn’t get excited about your Nvidia driver version since it is as recent as May, but considering that you have Lumion from the Rhino 7.0 directory and Bongo loaded while also trying to run AutoCad I’d suggest you update it to the latest. I also seem to recall Nathan saying that the denoisers are now part of the Rhino 8 installation so maybe the Nvidia denoiser from the Rhino 7.0 directory is redundant.
This is just guesswork on my part but they are things I would check out if I was experiencing your problem.
The usual recommendation is to disable the “plugins not shipped with Rhino” and if the problem goes away re-enable them one-by-one to see which one is the culprit.
AIW,
Thanks for the plugin suggestion - a sensible route I should have explored before. I wasn’t overly optimistic since a colleague with the same R-8 problems doesn’t have the same plugins. However…
I did disable the external plugins but noticed that one of the Acad toolbars was still blank. On a chance, I renamed it - it was called “Zoom” rather predictably - and hey-presto the UI seems to be back to normal. No more blank palettes and toolbars.
Just to make life more curious, I re-enabled all of the Plugins and everything is still up and running. I will disable the Nvidia denoiser if it is redundant.
I am guessing that R-8 and AutoCAD 2025 are somehow sharing a Windows graphics resource which can cause conflicts?
Thanx
JP
@Japhy Are you still following this? Do you think some of the other “big brains” would be interested?
@nathanletwory Am I recalling the situation with denoisers correctly?
hard to say at this point, at the moment the most likely shared resource that could affect things is the video card.
I was thinking of the renaming ACAD “Zoom” toolbar phenomenon.
I’ve been having this same issue since July 2024 (showed it to my IT) but have been putting off any further troubleshooting because it seems like nobody else in my office is having this issue. I’m posting now because I got access to another computer and have fresh installs of Rhino 8 and AutoCAD 2026 and am still experiencing issue with Rhino 8 crashing an already-open instance of AutoCAD. So, that is two computers (Laptop, Tower), different versions of Rhino 8 and ACAD 2024, 2026 all with the same issue.
AutoCAD 2024 crashes near instantly when Rhino 8 is opened, but AutoCAD 2026 takes longer to crash after opening Rhino 8. I haven’t found any other trends and patterns in this behavior so far.
Tower PC SystemInfo:
Rhino 8 SR20 2025-6-6 (Rhino 8, 8.20.25157.13001, Git hash:master @ 73b00899cf43922900a763212f167c03dc6f27cc)
License type: Commercial, build 2025-06-06
License details: LAN Zoo Network Node
Windows 11 (10.0.26100 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 64GB)
.NET 8.0.17
Computer platform: DESKTOP (Hosting Remote Desktop session)
Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display: Microsoft Remote Display Adapter (Microsoft) Memory: 0MB, Driver date: 6-21-2006 (M-D-Y).
> Remote Desktop display device with 16 connection(s)
- Windows Main Display using connection #0
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro P2200 (NVidia) Memory: 5GB, Driver date: 12-31-2024 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 571.59
> Accelerated graphics device with 0 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device!
Secondary graphics devices.
Intel(R) UHD Graphics P630 (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 11-20-2024 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 0 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device!
OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
GPU Tessellation is: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU's maximum)
Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High
Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 12-31-2024
Driver Version: 32.0.15.7159
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 5 GB
Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp "Commands" 8.20.25157.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp "Renderer Development Kit"
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp "Rhino Render" 8.20.25157.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp "RDK_EtoUI" 8.20.25157.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp "Snapshots"
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp "MeshCommands" 8.20.25157.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp "RhinoCycles" 8.20.25157.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp "Toolbars" 8.20.25157.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp "3Dconnexion 3D Mouse"
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp "Displacement"
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp "SectionTools"
Laptop SystemInfo:
Rhino 8 SR21 2025-6-10 (Rhino 8, 8.21.25161.18001, Git hash:master @ d1727ccd678f61173f568509b05829e0850184bf)
License type: Commercial, build 2025-06-10
License details: LAN Zoo Network Node
Windows 11 (10.0.26100 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 32GB)
.NET Framework 4.8.9310.0
Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [100% battery remaining]
Hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display: Intel(R) Iris(R) Xe Graphics (Intel) Memory: 2GB, Driver date: 9-13-2024 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Secondary monitor is laptop's integrated screen or built-in port
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #1
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA RTX A1000 6GB Laptop GPU (NVidia) Memory: 6GB, Driver date: 1-31-2025 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 572.21
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Video pass-through to primary display device
OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
GPU Tessellation is: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU's maximum)
Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High
Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 1-31-2025
Driver Version: 32.0.15.7221
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 6 GB
Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp "Commands" 8.21.25161.18001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp "Renderer Development Kit"
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp "Rhino Render" 8.21.25161.18001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp "RDK_EtoUI" 8.21.25161.18001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp "Snapshots"
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp "MeshCommands" 8.21.25161.18001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp "RhinoCycles" 8.21.25161.18001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp "Toolbars" 8.21.25161.18001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp "3Dconnexion 3D Mouse"
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp "Displacement"
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp "SectionTools"
