@Gijs - In Rhino 7 I get a list with icons and text.
in Rhino8 I only get icons - how do I get my list with Icons and text back?
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Totally agree. Can this get marked up as a regression?
Fully behind the merge to a single ui. Sensible way forward but please keep working on these points.
Aware that there are (hopefully) a lot of UI tweaks and adjustments to follow but it would be good to see a list of point that have been raised that you are / will work on.
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Exactly, this is terrible! I thought that it can be changed somewhere in the Preferences, but I didn’t find any option for it. (Obviously, you can turn on icons for tabs there. How useful! 
) What should be the point of this change? It’s less practical, and it looks worse! Please let us choose!
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You can change this per toolbar by floating the toolbar and then in the context menu change its Properties
It is not global, however…
-Pascal
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Great, thanks a lot. However, would it be possible to add some global toggle to the Preferences in the future version? I’m trying to switch it one by one, but it tends to crash the opened window (app is still running, but the window is immediately closed).
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And one more note. Please, would it be possible to make the menu a bit smaller? It’s unnecessarily large. Even my 16" MacBook Pro is not big enough for some menus. When I click on the expanding arrow, the normally sized (and normally looking) menu will show up. Is there any particular reason, why the all menu can’t look like this?
It’s:
– super awful to apply to an entire toolbar
– looks HORRIBLE, way too big, not mac-friendly as before, and it’s buggy.
+1 to have the ancient menus back.
This is another huge regression.
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I wholeheartedly agree
RH-78317 Popup toolbar needs refinement
RH-78318 Global setting needed for popup toolbars
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Regarding the size of the popup-toolbar, there seems to be a bug.
I turned on icons and text as Pascal explained.
This looks ok (surface creation toolbar):
But this one (surface tools) is a little bit big, and I cannot resize it.
Thanks!
Edit: tested ‘solid creation’ and ‘solid tools’ popups with icons and text, and their size is ok.
ah… looks like those separators destroy the party
RH-78329 Popup toolbar with separators issues
Again, the floating box freezes and I cant get it to dock again
I am using the paid , release version. I thought this was Beta, since there are so many bugs.
Changing the category. Sorry if this conversation was all about the beta version, but my post is apparently related to the release version.
@pascal I did manage to find the context menu - by right-clicking the box !
It is these small things that PC users take for granted, but for a Mac user is super confusing NOT to know !
I have also looked more careful into the idea behind this PC UI version. Apparently it seems as the major difference from Mac version, is heavy use of right-clicks. Perhaps to speed up the proces ?
Well in the Mac version I only had to use one click to open up a tool, and start using it, I just hold down the mouse button, and slide my way into the sub menu.
In the new PC version, one has to left click the tiny little tool corner, and the READ from the info label, if i should left or right click to get deeper into sub-menu. this is two clicks , with added micro stress of “What the f… is going on ?!”
Once I get the new intended use, i can start learn to adapt, but I would need documentation on all these little basic things that is taken for granted by PC users for many years.
Once that is settled, and I have adapted, its a different picture, and I can have a more clear notion if something is really off and a bug, or its just me being dumbstruck by this unsuspected new challenge and learning curve thrown in by McNeel
RH7
RH8
Pretty fantastic to have paid (and not just 90$…) for such a big colander with all kind of regressions, huh?
Update to Toolbar
Basically I prefer the menu structure and functionality in RH7, which is one click, and then slide my way through the submenues, that open on mouse over.
I have tried to emulate this in RH 8.1, but mouseover opening of sub menues is not there, and the sub menues open up as individual tool-containers and their placement is … weird ?
see attached video example RH7(Mac) and RH8
For RH8 further development and upcoming release versions, I strongly suggest the RH7 Mac version of mouse click and menu logic, which is clearly much faster and intuitive to work with, and with a much simpler graphics (fx. small > arrows on the right in the column, where there are submenues , instead of RH8 tiny small icon corner triangles that are difficult to pin-point)
Also the arrangement and positioning of submenues are much, much better in RH7 Mac, and there are just too much clutter and stuff to mess up in RH8 abundance of toolpalettes inside other tool pallettes.
One has to click and click and click again, to reach deep into this RH8 system of tool pallets, and you spend too much time fiddling with the tiny icons, positioning the pallets, and opening and closing pallets, instead of being productive.
Maybe for once, the Windows convention could adapt something cool from Mac?
RH7 (Mac)
RH8
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It this a design choice? Or is the code that much harder with windows? But Hans speaks the truth! a thousand times yes from me.
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That was the thing I positively hated about the Mac interface from the beginning… Menu, menu, menu. And huge long ones at that. Personally I don’t call that cool, but YMMV.
@Helvetosaur Are you a Mac user ?
It’s not the length of menus that matters here it’s the process of drilling down into them. Or how that works. You have nested layers in rhino regardless of os. The examples shown was an equal number of levels down in 7 and 8. So it’s menu menu menu either way, it’s just how you get there that matters.
I was (partially) when I had to teach Rhino to university students who were half Mac half PC - back in the days of V5 and V6. Had to do half the demos on Mac and the other half on PC. Then my Mac got too old to run V7 and I never had a reason to buy a new one.
Exactly. Multilevel nested menus or toolbars are not my thing, but I do find icons visually easier to find than trying to read menus.
Personally I customized my own workspace so that I never have more than one level of nesting needed to get to my most used tools. Plus I type most of my commands or use aliases.
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