[R8 MAC] Graphics Performances

Yes, I did the test with the rendered mode:

RH8 standard: 3.5fps
RH8 dynamic draw: 17.2fps

RH7: 26.5fps

@rudolf.neumerkel yes, this matches with what I see here on M1 as well, thanks

RH-78073 is fixed in Rhino 8 Service Release 1 Release Candidate

@brian @stevebaer

Can the TestIdleBehavior be generalised, not just being activated when using the trackpad? Model navigation still lags with external devices – in general, every time the coordinates are updated in real-time. Trackpad is just the easiest way to visualise the issue, but not the only one.

Also, I cannot see any improvement in Rendered mode. Still choppy and laggy.


RH8.1 simple box 3.8fps
RH7 simple box 30 fps

both in rendered mode

Rhino 8 SR1 2023-11-7 (Rhino 8, 8.1.23311.13282, Git hash:master @ 0f88bb345f3e6574a4453f1846edc6d9c718fbce)
License type: Evaluation, build 2023-11-07
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 4674337-08-16

Apple macOS Version 14.1.1 (Build 23B81) (Physical RAM: 16Gb)
Mac Model Identifier: MacBookPro16,1
Language: en
.NET 7.0.0

Metal GPU Family Apple 0
Metal GPU Family Common 3
Metal GPU Family Mac 2
Graphics processors
  Intel UHD Graphics 630 (1536 MB)
  AMD Radeon Pro 5300M (4 GB)
    Color LCD (2048 x 1280 @ 59.00Hz)

USB devices
  Apple: composite_device
  Apple Inc.: Touch Bar Backlight
  Apple Inc.: Touch Bar Display
  Apple Inc.: Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad
  Apple: Headset
  Apple Inc.: Ambient Light Sensor
  Apple Inc.: FaceTime HD Camera (Built-in)
  Apple Inc.: Apple T2 Controller

Bluetooth devices

Third party kernel extensions
  com.intel.driver.EnergyDriver (3.7.0) 35E739F9-BF6C-3024-A67C-750711B3FB64
  com.Cycling74.driver.Soundflower (2) 2D779840-7439-31E5-8A66-D786C3F47B75
  com.paragon-software.filesystems.ntfs (149.8.15) B3791A17-53DF-3B03-9FF5-298D092ECF8C

Third party plugins

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
  /Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhMaterialEditor.framework	"Renderer Development Kit"	8.1.23311.1002
  /Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Commands.rhp	"Commands"	8.1.23311.13282
  /Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/NamedSnapshots.rhp	"Snapshots"	8.1.23311.1002
  /Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCodePlugin.rhp	"RhinoCodePlugin"	8.1.23311.13282
  /Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RDK_EtoUI.rhp	"RDK_EtoUI"	8.1.23311.13282
  /Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/MeshCommands.rhp	"MeshCommands"	8.1.23311.13282
  /Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoRenderCycles.rhp	"Rhino Render"	8.1.23311.13282
  /Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCycles.rhp	"RhinoCycles"	8.1.23311.13282
  /Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/SectionTools.rhp	"SectionTools"	8.1.23311.1002
  /Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Displacement.rhp	"Displacement"	8.1.23311.1002
  /Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/PanelingTools.rhp	"PanelingTools"	8.1.23311.1002
  /Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoDLR_Python.rhp	"IronPython"	8.1.23311.13282
  /Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/GrasshopperPlugin.rhp	"Grasshopper"	8.1.23311.13282

From another thread:

I don’t know if this helps but I want to tell my observations.
For a longer time I had the feeling that the performance drops has something to do with the apple display scaling pipeline.
I use Rhino on a laptop. I have three practical environments:
just as a laptop - good performance
with a IBM monitor 4k - often bad performance (scaled to 2560x1440) normally
with a 5K LG monitor - better performance than the 4k (scaled to 2560x1440) normally
Today I try to test if there is a heavy relation (of course scaling slows down performance but I have a feeling there is more than normal slow down compared to other apps)
With the open Rhino I changed the scaling mode "looks like . . . " first I got 24,44 fps in 2560x1440 in a fullscreen window with a full screen viewport. On lower scaling I got 48 FPS and on higher scaling I got around 5 fps.
After the test I change everything back to the start (looks like 2560x1440) but after the testing I just got around 6 fps instead of 24 fps. after a restart and plugin and out of the external display I got the 24 fps back.
For me it looks like a relation with the scaling on a external display and that there is a system setting who is temporary connected with rhino.
Maybe other people should try to reset the mac NVRAM an look if there is any improvement in the rhino 8 performance?! Just a thought

@HugoIII this issue is logged as RH-77649 Mac display speed: Slower at certain display scaling on external monitor

Note that this is not V8 specific.

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Mac Rhino 8, isn’t as smooth on the lines and shadows as Rhino 7, I have some big models that look a lot better in 7 than they do 8, doesn’t seem to be an option to up to anti aliasing. included some v simple examples with a close up, once this happens through a model it really takes away the quality in the workspace in comparison to rhino 7 rendered view. I use a lot of screen grabs for my workflow and view capture to file, and for now rhino 7 provides a much nicer O/A image.

Simple example…

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Is that a mesh or extrusion or polysurface?

But just a very simple example.
On my large models of interiors etc the ‘look’ is very different on shadows, lines and transparent materials. Much smoother in R7

A post was split to a new topic: View doesn’t update after changing with 3dconnection

Any suggestions, for how I can get the quality to match rhino 7 ?

Hello @stevebaer and @Gijs , any news about Rendering (&Co) performance issues on R8 for Mac?

Also, about the not-100% solved framerate issue / IdleBehavior:

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Both are being investigated, but we don’t have any specific changes in place yet.

I have the same problem. Orbiting a single 3D Box in Rendered mode is extremely laggy and slow (frames dropped)

Using fully maxed out.Intel iMac Pro .

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I can’t see where to curves go in Rhino8 as I was able to see in Rhino7. I also can’t see where the seams are when I do the Sweep1 and Sweep2 command. Is anyone else going through this? Does anyone have a solution to enable these things?

can you post some screenshots of what you are seeing?