Yes, I did the test with the rendered mode:
RH8 standard: 3.5fps
RH8 dynamic draw: 17.2fps
RH7: 26.5fps
Can the TestIdleBehavior be generalised, not just being activated when using the trackpad? Model navigation still lags with external devices – in general, every time the coordinates are updated in real-time. Trackpad is just the easiest way to visualise the issue, but not the only one.
Also, I cannot see any improvement in Rendered mode. Still choppy and laggy.
FYI
RH8.1 simple box 3.8fps
RH7 simple box 30 fps
both in rendered mode
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I don’t know if this helps but I want to tell my observations.
For a longer time I had the feeling that the performance drops has something to do with the apple display scaling pipeline.
I use Rhino on a laptop. I have three practical environments:
just as a laptop - good performance
with a IBM monitor 4k - often bad performance (scaled to 2560x1440) normally
with a 5K LG monitor - better performance than the 4k (scaled to 2560x1440) normally
Today I try to test if there is a heavy relation (of course scaling slows down performance but I have a feeling there is more than normal slow down compared to other apps)
With the open Rhino I changed the scaling mode "looks like . . . " first I got 24,44 fps in 2560x1440 in a fullscreen window with a full screen viewport. On lower scaling I got 48 FPS and on higher scaling I got around 5 fps.
After the test I change everything back to the start (looks like 2560x1440) but after the testing I just got around 6 fps instead of 24 fps. after a restart and plugin and out of the external display I got the 24 fps back.
For me it looks like a relation with the scaling on a external display and that there is a system setting who is temporary connected with rhino.
Maybe other people should try to reset the mac NVRAM an look if there is any improvement in the rhino 8 performance?! Just a thought
@HugoIII this issue is logged as RH-77649 Mac display speed: Slower at certain display scaling on external monitor
Note that this is not V8 specific.
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Mac Rhino 8, isn’t as smooth on the lines and shadows as Rhino 7, I have some big models that look a lot better in 7 than they do 8, doesn’t seem to be an option to up to anti aliasing. included some v simple examples with a close up, once this happens through a model it really takes away the quality in the workspace in comparison to rhino 7 rendered view. I use a lot of screen grabs for my workflow and view capture to file, and for now rhino 7 provides a much nicer O/A image.
Simple example…
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Is that a mesh or extrusion or polysurface?
Extrusion
But just a very simple example.
On my large models of interiors etc the ‘look’ is very different on shadows, lines and transparent materials. Much smoother in R7
Any suggestions, for how I can get the quality to match rhino 7 ?
Hello @stevebaer and @Gijs , any news about Rendering (&Co) performance issues on R8 for Mac?
Also, about the not-100% solved framerate issue / IdleBehavior:
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Both are being investigated, but we don’t have any specific changes in place yet.
I have the same problem. Orbiting a single 3D Box in Rendered mode is extremely laggy and slow (frames dropped)
Using fully maxed out.Intel iMac Pro .
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I can’t see where to curves go in Rhino8 as I was able to see in Rhino7. I also can’t see where the seams are when I do the Sweep1 and Sweep2 command. Is anyone else going through this? Does anyone have a solution to enable these things?
can you post some screenshots of what you are seeing?