Lots of frustration here too! Removing the possibility of making keyboard shortcuts is forcing me to relearn almost from nothing over again and develop a new workflow coming from v7. Simple UI and structure issues such as toolbars, versus containers, versus panels? What the heck. What’s the distinction? I cannot tell. I’ve created toolbars and can’t seem to figure out how to add/remove tools to said toolbar! Fundamental things are very frustrating.
Containers are just “areas” where you can dock things. Toolbars are Toolbars and Panels are Panels. Both can be docked in a Container. Is it a good thing or a bad UI-design? - I think, it might work BUT currently I’m not convinced it is a better solution than keeping the two completely separate. By the way: Tools can be added to a Toolbar or removed from a Toolbar using Ctrl or Shift + Drag’n’Drop (same as in 5/6/7).
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Very helpful! Thanks for this tip.
Have you tried Tools > Options > Keyboard in Rhino 8 for Mac? There are shortcut keys there - are you talking about specific keys that are missing? Perhaps this?
RH-77588 Cmd+Ctrl+ shortcuts are missing
I’m referring to the ability to add unadorned keyboard shortcuts, for example, press m key and that starts move command, without having to press enter! Allowing nearly any other keyboard combinations including number keys and all modifier keys. Please, please!
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But Rhino never was able to do that, was it? It’s not a new regression in Rhino 8 that makes things worse - but instead a thing you want that would make all the versions better?
It is a regression since this was possible using v7 mac. It’s not possible with v8 since the decision to unify the win/mac. Wouldn’t it be value add to have it for any operating system?
Really? I’m shocked to learn this. Can you please describe how you set it up in Rhino 7 for Mac? I’ve been on Rhino for Mac for 10 years, and have heard this request for longer… I didn’t think we ever hooked it up on any platform.
When you say “unadorned” I imagine being able to touch nothing but the M key to start the Move command. You can use Ctrl+M and several other key combos already, in Tools > Options > Keyboard. There’s an outstanding bug to add Cmd+Ctl to the list, because it’s been taken away in Rhino 8 vs Rhino 7 for Mac:
RH-77588 Cmd+Ctrl+ shortcuts are missing
Yes, it’s possible. I’m not the only one to use this feature. Select ‘Commands’.
There you can customize:
Some of these are defaults, others have been added/changed, such as ‘M’ for ‘Move’. There is no need to set up alias, script, macro, press enter, etc. Simply press the key and the command is active. Such a more productive workflow and very easy to customize. Here is where I think v8 is a serious regression.
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Yes, I see that is possible, however it is somewhat limited. Can it be made so that users can add other keyboard shortcuts here? Such as a single key? If users can add freely to this list, we would have the same functionality we lost transitioning from v7, plus all platforms would have the same function. Win-win!
Hi John -
I think we understand what you are saying, and that’s a request that frequently comes up, also on Windows. It doesn’t look, though, that anyone here is aware of that having been possible in Rhino 7.
I’m afraid I’m going to need a bit of hand-holding here.
On my system, when I go there, I see a “Copy of Default”. I don’t see where I can rename that to, e.g., “Wims Customizations”.
In this default (?) list, all keyboard shortcuts (other than F2, F3, F6, F7, F8, F9, F10, some diagonal NW arrow, and some diagonal SE arrow that don’t appear on my Norwegian keyboard) consist of at least 2 keys.
I used the + button in the lower left-hand corner and made a new “Move” keyboard shortcut:
When I now make a line in Rhino, and hit the M key on the keyboard, the commandline suggests a bunch of commands that start with “M” but does not start the “Move” command.
What is the step that I’m missing?
-wim
Hi Wim,
I’d be happy to have a virtual meeting and demonstrate via screen share (Zoom, Teams, etc.).
John Williams
404.512.1891 (m)
Hi John -
It’s peculiar how that can’t be described in words.
At any rate, please call your local support site - Rhino - Rhino Support - we have lots of people that are set-up to do such.
-wim
yes that is possible in mac Rhino v7. if that makes sense or not was in that case up to the user, if instead of a few commands starting with M one wishes to use a single key short cut rather then that is how i made and still make it.
what i use/d a lot are things like , and . since these dont start up any other commands. in v8 that is not possible anymore.
but also combinations like alt , and alt . are missing. running after painfully listing all the shortcuts possible does not make sense, why not have the open ui back from before? scrolling through that endless list manually finding that shortcut to enter an alias for it is just so completely the other direction of what mac users had before, this part really hurts a ton.
@wim i assume you have to use the _ or the !_ version of the command. it works when i set it up like so.
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No, what’s making things worse right now is that after migrating our keyboard shortcut activated popup toolbars from 7 to 8, and checking repeatedly to make sure we put them in containers correctly, they’re super buggy.
Have the issues with shortcuts that use ctrl and/or alt been resolved yet? I know that for me the MMB popup bug is now solved.
All the new features you added otherwise are amazing. The UI customization is the only thing holding me back from using 8 full time.
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I believe the step you are missing is that you’ve created a new “Move”, whereas, I suspect, if you modify the Keyboard shortcut on the existing Move entry here…
you should be able to reproduce this behavior. (Notice how I’m selectively ignoring the fact that’s it’s now possible to completely prevent yourself from typing other Rhino commands that start with the letter M)
Interesting how the keyboard shortcut field on the button editor has never been offered in Windows Rhino…
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and is now missing for the mac users either.
Well to be honest it’s not a feature I would ever use…
To use the example of “M”, I have a half-dozen aliases that I use frequently that start with “m” and they would be made useless - in addition to all the other commands that start with M if you are used to typing a couple of letters to get to them. Of course you can still use menus or toolbars to do that, but if my aliases didn’t work I would be very unhappy.
What most people have asked for is a switchable mode between single key and normal operation.
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Yep and the other way of working isn’t working for many folks and it’s not happy-making either!
The system is ‘ALMOST’ there to allow these things but not quite. I’ve made many aliases as an alternative workaround and recently started creating some shortcuts via the ‘Keyboard’ options.
Honestly, if keyboard options allowed adding single key combinations, along with free use of the modifier keys, that would solve this. Add a switch to use this modality vs. alias mode and we’re there.
Note: many of these default keyboard shortcuts (anything using Function keys or numbered keys) out of the box are not allowed on macOS as those are used at system level.