Mobile Construction Plane tutorial video not available?

Hi
V5
I have downloaded the users guide, ctrl F Mobile Construction plane , it searched the document, found nothing.
Command Help is just text, I sure need to see this as a video !
YouTube
nothing.

McNeel site, not sure where the videos are listed, needs a search window where I can type Mobile Construction Plane.

Is there an index of all the videos and where might I find this index ?

I would like to view the McNeel ones which should be a better resolution I hope.

The videos that came on the V4 tutorial disc were great. cant find that disc at the mo though.

Is there such produced for V5 ?

Furthermore is there anything on the use of mobile construction planes anywhere as video, I would like to more about its use and so on.

I want a construction plane on various parts of my object and will either have to make loads of Custom Cplanes or use this.

It must have a use, I wonder what it is.

Bottom line here is I am struggling to find a site that has all the videos for V5 and in a searchable form for situations such as Mobile Construction Plane.

Steve

Try searching for ā€œMPlaneā€.

Mplane in youtube finds nothing.
as said, is there a McNeel page with all the videos listed, I am stryggling to know where to go to see tutorials on V5. For v4 I had a CD in a nice case from McNeel.

Steve

Is there anything specific you do not understand about the MPlane?
Itā€™s just a CPlane that follows an object that it is assigned to.
At least one video tutorial for CPlanes can be found here: https://vimeo.com/90122821

Hi, I will watch that video. Many thanks, at lastā€¦a video :slight_smile:

As I havent found anything on them and wonder how and when they get used, I might be missing out on something really useful to me as I sometimes find myself with a need to create Cplanes for objects, one per object, many objects, and the process of creating Cplanes naming them etc, then trying to restore my view back to the default Rhino one scares me even now.
As it exists I want to learn more about it. Seems a shame its not explained more, maybe this vid is what I need.

As I couldnt find it under Mplane or the full wording it pointed to that fact that others may also find a video on it tricky to locate.

Sinve V5 I can seem to locate videos so easily like I could with the DVD I had with V4. I am a BIG advocate of McNeel created videos where the key commands are shown in motion with speech.

Where they all are and with a searchable index such as would find this vimeo one is still a mystery to me.

A video for me is far better than text. Seeing it in use is invaluable.

Steve

Having tried to get to grips with MPlane, I have to agree with Steve1. The Help file barely scratches the surface and there arenā€™t any videos available, either in the Help file or online. For example:

Start a new instance of Rhino, standard 4View, wireframe in all views. Draw a box, rotate it randomly a couple of time to get it askew to all of the standard views, so that setting an MPlane becomes useful. Fire up the command.

Iā€™m prompted to select an object. Thatā€™ll be the box in this case. Next up; command line offers me a few options. ā€˜Attachā€™ looks like a good one to start with. I read the Help file and it all looks good. The cursor sprouts three coloured axes. Attach to a corner of the box, then click relevant edges of box to align the axes. Command line asks if I want to update automatically (I canā€™t think why you wouldnā€™t want to with an MPlane, so itā€™s a Yes from me). I should be good to go now.

The command however keeps running and loops back to the first line of options. Hit escape to kill it. Iā€™m left with a box with a blue Z axis sprouting from one corner - neither the X or Y axis is visible on the edges of the box (is there a display setting to fix this?), but Iā€™ll believe that theyā€™re present for now. Flit to an ortho view and call SetCplane, Top. Sketch away on face of box and all looks to be in order - much better than struggling with World Cplanes. Name the MPlane so that I can keep track of it. OK. Next up, move the box and revel in the fact that the MPlane will go with it.

Exceptā€¦ it doesnā€™t.

The Plane origin gets left behind, three axes in view with their little arrow heads defiantly holding their original positions. Go back, check the Help file. Automatic = Yes ā€˜Automatically updates the construction plane when the object position changesā€™. Now Iā€™m at a dead end. No further instruction, no videos. I try restoring the CPlane through Named CPlanes panel but that does nothing.

Can MPlanes be made to work as I thought they should (i.e. staying attached to their parent object)? In the Named CPlanes panel, how do you ascertain which are MPlanes and which are ā€˜normalā€™? Can they be treated in the same way? What happens if I copy an object thatā€™s got an MPlane attached (if indeed it is attached) - does the construction plane get duplicated with it? How do I find the Plane I want if Iā€™ve created say 50 planes in a model and canā€™t remember the name of the one I want? Is there a way to highlight the planes on-the-fly by scrolling through the Named CPlanes panel? What happens if I change the topology of the object that I originally attached the MPlane to - does it get binned, or is it remapped and if so, how? Do I get a warning to tell me that the object Iā€™ve just cut ā€˜nā€™ shut had an MPlane attached and now Iā€™ve busted it? The list could go on and on.

I guess what Iā€™m getting at is that this may well be a very powerful function, but without some clear instruction and overview of the methodology, itā€™s not much use to anyone but the initiated.

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Hi Matt,
If you viewed the video in the link from Wim, as I have just at long last done, you would find nothing on Mplane, I am a little surprised at that, maybe thw rong link, its useful for Cplanes.

Anyone at Rhino care to do a Jing on the use of Mobile Construction Planes ?

this post has 227 hits which looking at others which are far less, it seems to indicate interest in Mplanes.
How to enter dimensions has 228 so of equal interest as something fundamental.

I feel its in Rhino so must be of use, but with all the questions on it in your post, it needs better explanation and a good video showing its usage. I still am none the wiser, a video is so useful at times.

Steve

Is there a video anywhere on Mplanes ?
anyone care to do a jing video as asked,

Steve

I have recommended a variation of the Mplanes that uses simple planes and the Set Cplane to Object command. The thing I like about this workflow is that I can see the plane and donā€™t have to memorize any names, which is really handy if you need 10 or more different c-planes. If youā€™re a lynda subscriber, there is a lovely video right at the link below. The specific tip is at the 05:30 mark.

If youā€™re not a lynda.com customer, here is a link for 10-days free.

Click the imageā€¦

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Thanks Dale. Itā€™s a good start. The all important ā€˜Enterā€™ immediately after the automatic update option doesnā€™t show in the vid (itā€™s a keyboard entry). Without it, you just keep looping through the command line options which seems a bit senseless to me.

Also, say youā€™ve got a dozen MPlanes in a model. How do you switch between them? When I tried naming them, they became normal CPlanes and detached themselves from their parent object in the process. Finding your way back to an MPlane some time after itā€™s creation is problematic.

Iā€™ve already sent a wish list for MPlane improvements to Pascal.

Something that seems in need of fixing as without that the full benefit is lost.

Thanks Dale, on behalf of all those trying to find out more about Mplanes.

Any chance of this video getting located into a rhino tutorial area, where one is led to when googling rhino tutorials (Mcneel site of course) keyworded Mplane or better still Mobile Construction Planes for easy finding by folk ?

Steve

Select the object, run the MPlane command and choose the Refresh option.

http://mcneel.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/RH-29594

Ok. Then I put another MPlane on some other part of the same object. How do I find/recall the first one?

An object can only have a single ā€˜MPlaneā€™.