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WEEKEND CONFESSIONS

Yes. And in many cases it’s the ONLY way to get to know a complex software, and this not only for the young. Even if 30, 60 or 90 day trials are available.

Rhino For All
First of all I recommend everybody to learn Rhino3D in any way possible because at the end of the day they will for sure buy it. At least if they really need it, as a hobbyist, a student, or a proffessional.

My Crime
For my own part I have never used a cracked Rhino. But what I did for a period of time was using

  • a legal copy, owned by one of my children,
  • installed on my machine
  • in my own household,
  • thinking I would try learn Rhino and find out if it would help solve a specific complex task
  • So, I was actually evaluating Rhino (for a long time)
  • However, the copy I used was a student license.

I used that copy in my private house for, I’m not sure, perhaps half a year, or maybe up to a year.

Intention
My abuse of the license terms was’t intentional though (I had not read the license terms carefully enough) and although I wasn’t sure, I evaluated/learned Rhino with the express intent to buy it - if I would eventually descide that Rhino was the way to go.

I also had to learn more about the task I was planning to solve with a CAD tool, and so both the task and the tool has its learning curve, and so that evaluation period was guaranteed to take a long time, longer than any trial period would last anyway.

Caught redhanded
I think @John_Brock noticed from one of my earliest posts that maybe that guy isn’t really a student, but John was kind enough to not go harsh on me, he just made a “general note about license terms” whithout going into more detail. That little note in the margin didn’t go unnoticed, but at the time I still wasn’t sure if Rhino would be a capable enough tool for the task, but from then onward at least I knew that using someone elses student license wasn’t in accordance with the license terms, not even if the license was owned within the same household.

Trial Hours vs Calender Days?
Anyway, a few month later I knew Rhino was the tool I’d use in future even regardless of if it would help solve the initial task. Conclusion: In my opionon trial periods measured in calender days is not always relevant if you are full time busy also with other things. Perhaps a “Trial Using Hours” would be a better alternative?

In any case, learning and comparing a CAD software isn’t a 90 day thing even if you play with it full time unless you already have prior CAD experience. And you simply can’t buy a bunch of CAD software only to try and compare, and learn - if you are also a CAD-noob, without a budget.

Commercial Use
I have never used a software commercially without a proper license, and I also never had the intent to do so. But how I got to learn different software has, in most cases, been by roaming different gray zoones. No surprise there.

Sales
I’m not advocating removing license terms because then noone would understand that at least eventually you must pay for the software, but, everybody knows that all parties benefits from letting people learn enough to buy, in “any practical way”, and especially important with complex software with steep learning curves etc.

On Topic
BTW, I really like the software, McNeel staff and their service and attitudes (including ups and downs) and this forum.

// Rolf

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I know confession is good for the soul, but IMHO you are confessing to something that was not a “crime”.

You said that your child, a student in your own home had a licensed copy of Rhino which you used. There is nothing in Rhino’s license agreement about who is allowed to be sitting at the keyboard of a computer with Rhino on it, even today. Back in the pre-Zoo days the license was quite clear that Rhino could be installed on two (maybe more - I don’t remember) computers. It was also clear that it could not be used by two people at the same time. So you weren’t abusing the license if you were not using Rhino on your computer at the same time your offspring was using his/her copy on his/her computer. I’m sure you were very careful to coordinate your use.

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I wasn’t. But I’m quite sure we were not using it at the same time anyway. :slight_smile:

Student licenses are “personal”, which I understand as not being related to which computer it’s installed on.

// Rolf

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Hi all,
This is an apology post for having previously used an unlicensed copy of Rhino.
I didn’t realise the community which that action affected, and for this I am sorry.
I have purchased a student version of the software and absolutely love it to bits.
In line with what has been previously mentioned, I now see that the Rhino/GH ecosystem will be integral to my livelihood once I get through archi school torture.
In the future, I hope to be able to openly discuss with this community issues and questions which I have encountered when using this software, and that I may be able to contribute in some ways.
As a side note, our whole school (MSD) has chosen Rhino as their package for us students, but does not yet have a licensing agreement with Rhino (if such a one exists).
Currently, most of my friends (~85%) use successive evaluation copies of Rhino for their work, while some have student licenses.
Regards,
Jeremy

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We do have a strong student price. While it is totally cool to use the evaluation for a term, the student version is perminant and can be used for commercial work for internships or once they graduate.

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There are several solutions - one common one is for the school to have one or more 30 seat lab licenses which can be put into a ‘team’ and shared with students via the cloud zoo. There is also a “campus” license possibility for very large quantities of students/staff. Have someone at your school contact McNeel sales or your local reseller for more info.

But I highly recommend buying a personal edu license if you can, if you are going to use Rhino extensively, it is one of the best investments you can make.

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I :heart: Rhino Identity.

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The best feature of Rhino is that all its dates are in metric format (ISO 8601 date, YYYYMMDD). example: 2020-11-27

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You are probably Rhino identitarian. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Thank’s Andrew Nowickyi

Merry x-mas and Happy New Year~ :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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To quote the Russians “McNeel IS DA BOSS”

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I think this thread is becoming relevant again. I hadn’t returned to the forum since the release of Rhino 8, and I realize that there is a lot of frustration, particularly with the new Rhino 8 interface. I am clearly one of those frustrated users. That’s actually why I came back to the forum, hoping to find solutions or point out issues that need fixing.

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I also think I am one of those people who bring what you call “negativity.” Andrew’s initial message is a very beautiful plea, and despite all my flaws, I think there are extremely important things not to ignore:

Personally, I pressed the translate button and didn’t understand the pun. I also often use this procedure to write to you, so it would be quite awkward to judge the tone of a message on an international forum. So yes, in my native language, I would be at fault if the tone of my message seems harsh.

Rhino is a mature and powerful software. I’ve been using it since version 5, and I can’t see how I could do without it. When Rhino 8 was in the WIP version, everything was great, and there was a lot of enthusiasm for the new features. Now that it is commercialized, frustrations are appearing.

It seems logical and inevitable that any software that becomes mature and powerful is used by users for important things, like making a living, and those users generally don’t like it when things don’t work. That’s how it is. Any successful software publisher must sometimes spend more time fixing bugs than implementing new features.

Rhino is a great and indispensable software. I will never stop saying it, just as I will never stop doing what you seem to call negative criticism.

But since we are on a thread called “Love for McNeel,” I must admit that I am absolutely impressed by the forum. Not only is Rhino an affordable software, but the developers themselves participate in this forum. You could say you are giving the stick to be beaten with. Despite some communication difficulties that may exist, the “tone of the message,” or the frustration that some of my requests are simply ignored, it is still an invaluable added value and an uncommon commitment.

And to praise the benefits of Rhino, which has already been done by several users in this thread, I wonder if the McNeel team is really aware of the scope and usefulness of their software. As we know, the craziest projects are generally subject to confidentiality rules, so they are not found in the portfolio section. Additionally, I work in many different companies and I haven’t yet met a single colleague here. I imagine there must be a lot more people using Rhino than those who come to this forum.

But here’s what I can say:
Whether it’s for developing functional designs on objects we all use today.
Whether it’s for creating graphic or volume supports to find investors.
Whether it’s for realizing artists’ visions.
Whether it’s for a stage armor of a very famous singer.
Whether it’s for haute couture discovering 3D printing.
Whether it’s for aviation, luxury, aerospace, the military, architecture, fashion shows, events (randomly, recently in Paris).
I also don’t know how I would do my job without Rhino. A big bravo to the McNeel team for your superb work and sorry in advance because it can always be better. jmv.

And because it’s the most important point that led me to write this message, I repeat: “used by users for important things, …, and those users generally don’t like it when things don’t work.”

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I recently made the transition and bought the upgrade from Rhino 5 to 8 ive said this before in another post but its a massive improvement from before

the enhanced artistic freedom it gives to realise a project and the solutions it gives is quite amazing now

Again well done mcneel team

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:full_moon_with_face:

Many of us have been involved in making some pretty crazy things too, so we have some idea, but we can’t claim to be aware of every corner of its uses.

I have a few in my portfolio that may also meet this description :wink:

I keep this in mind when I read every message on the forum, no matter the tone.

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