Inset with Gumball

[k.popp]

Hi there,

i was wondering if the inseting of (sub-) objetcs is still possible with the current gumball as described in this video by @BrianJ Rhino 7 SubD Basics at around 0:50
In my case insetting with the 2 axis handle is not possible. Inseting click & dragging a 1D scale handle + holding shift+ctrl is possible but only for Mesh and SubD Faces, not for Surfaces. Is this intentional or am i missing something?

-Kevin

[encephalon]

right there seems to be quite a mess.

i can only talk for the mac version but there might be some parallels.

for Surface:
here insetting with gumball on a surface never worked, neither in 7 nor in 8 nor in wip9. in v7 also the command Inset did not work at all on a surface, that might have been a lack of development since that at least is now possible in v8 and v9.

for SubD:
in v7 Inset with Gumball still worked as shown in the tutorial, in 8 and 9 the cmd key induces a gumball move which does not make a steady inset possible anymore, so there is something wrong for sure.. at least that part might just be a logic error in the mac version.

i assume inset with Gumball on a surface might just generally not be developed yet. does the Subd Inset with Gumball work with you properly, which version are you using?

[nathanletwory (Nathan 'jesterKing' Letwory)]

@encephalon

In 8 and 9 the cmd key induces a gumball move which does not make a steady inset possible anymore

Not seeing extra moves here when doing insets via Gumball on my Mac.

[k.popp]

I’m on windows using Rhino Version 8.18.25076.15001. For the SubD Inset i get the same behaviour. Here is a simple SubD Shape to visualize the behaviour:

1. Sub-object select the SubD faces
2. Left-click the 2 axis handle and hold it - faces can be moved on the plane
   
   
3. Additonal click and hold the shift key - scaling get’s activated:
   
   
4. Additional clicking the Ctrl key (like shown in the video above) results in the same behaviour as clicking the 2 axis handle alone - no inseting instead only movement:
   
   

[encephalon]

right that seems to be the same mess on windows then, i just created a bug report for mac but this is in that case true for both versions.

at least inset is possible on mac but it does move around making it impossible to be pinned down, but either way there is something wrong.

Bug: Inset with Gumball on SubD no longer possible (properly) since v8

in v7 create a SubD object (box, whatever) subselect one face, then shift click on the square (not the handles) to scale 2d and while scaling add cmd which produces an inset. in v8, v9 this is no longer possible, the additinal shift causes the gumball and the face to move instead, the inset is created though but the entire face gets moved around freely making it impossible to be pinned down properly.

[nathanletwory (Nathan 'jesterKing' Letwory)]

I think this is @Joshua_Kennedy territory.

[BrianJ (Brian James)]

Thanks @k.popp and @encephalon, I’ve already filed this 2 axis scale handle to extrude regression as RH-85318 but it hasn’t been addressed yet. In the meantime, you can use the single axis scale handle + Shift + Ctl/Cmd to extrude at the same time as the uniform scale. If the sub-object selection is planar, the result will be the same as the 2 axis scale handle method.