Font Problems with Ä Ö Ü

Hi, I am working on a project in German. Unfortunately we have these weird characters Ä Ö Ü.
I never had issues in the past using them, but for some reason, now with rhino 7 ((7.4.21078.1001, 2021-03-19) when I use the font TT Hoves, which is the font we use for everything the characters overlap.
Is there a way to fix this?
Thanks, Georg!

Hi Georg - thanks, I’ll have a look.
@x04x.wieser - can you post an example file? So far this looks OK here -



Thanks for testing!
I just had a converstation with my colleague and he reported occassional issues with MS word as well. Maybe the trouble is with the font and not with rhino, i was just wondering because I have not had issues with it before…

TTHoves Testfile.3dm (75.8 KB)

Hi Georg - that file also looks OK here - can you please run the SystemInfo command in Rhino and copy/paste the results here?


Rhino 7 SR4 2021-3-19 (Rhino 7, 7.4.21078.01001, Git hash:master @ a432d22ab7f0f7b53d157d578278070c8bf6eff4)
License type: Kommerziell, build 2021-03-19
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 10.0.19041 SR0.0 or greater (Physical RAM: 64Gb)

Computer platform: DESKTOP

Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA Quadro RTX 5000 (NVidia) Memory: 16GB, Driver date: 3-11-2021 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 461.92
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #0
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #1

Secondary graphics devices.
Intel(R) UHD Graphics 630 (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 9-24-2020 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 3 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device!

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On

Anti-alias mode: 2x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 3-11-2021
Driver Version:
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 16 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Chaos Group\V-Ray\V-Ray for Rhinoceros\V7\VRayForRhino.rhp “V-Ray for Rhino”

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 7.4.21078.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\RPC.rhp “RPC”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 7.4.21078.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 7.4.21078.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\rdk_ui.rhp “Renderer Development Kit UI”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 7.4.21078.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 7.4.21078.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”

@Daniel_Wunsch - can you have a look at the Rhino file that Georg posted above? It looks fine here but maybe on a German system is does not?


Here “TT Hoves” isn’t installed and the file looks fine on my german Rhino 7.

I suppose your “TT Hoves” font doesn’t have german signs, or is corrupted.

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Hi Michael - thanks for checking. I did install ttHoves here, but perhaps there are different versions.


There are paid for, licensed versions of the font (which originates from the TypeType foundry) from legitimate sources but bootleg copies seem commonplace on “free font” sites. No way of knowing without inspection whether the font metrics match.

Well, my problem is specifically with the font, I don´t have the problem with other fonts either, hence my inquiry about this font specifically.

The font is paid for and from the official site.

Just installed Rhino on my old PC with Windows 8, it works there…
No Idea what the issue could be.
I also just realized that the alignment issue is already showing up while typing in the Text Editor.

If you copy and paste the Rhino text with the TT Hoves font into Word, does the spacing correct itself?

If you highlight the Rhino text and, without any other changes, change the font to Arial, say, does the spacing correct itself?

Have you tried deleting the font and reinstalling it (before starting Rhino)?

Reinstalling the font was the first thing I did before I turned to the forum.
Copy pasting into office, as well as changing the font immediatly respaces everything correctly.
This would not bother me at all if I could just go and use a different font, but my companies CI is based on this font and I don´t really want to relinquish on it in our plan documents.

No, you shouldn’t have to.

Sorry for all the questions, but here’s another:

If you create a new Rhino file with the troublesome text on your old Windows 8 pc and see the spacing is good, then open that file on your Windows 10 pc, before editing anything, does the spacing go wrong?

No worries, I appreciate you taking the time to think about this.
The spacing works on the old machine and doesn´t work after transferring to the new one.

Is the version number on the Rhino splash screen the same for the Win 8 and Win 10 pcs?

Both are up to date.
7.4.21078.1001, 2021-03-19

@x04x.wieser - a colleague here suggests testing with Rhino started in ‘safe mode’.

(Start Rhino in Safe Mode: Windows start menu, type in ‘Rhinoceros’ and look for the ‘Rhinoceros in Safe Mode’ entry.)

Does that make any differnce?


it gets even more mysterious in safe mode.
It correct in topview now, but still glitched in perspective.