Ergonomic mouse recommendations?

I’ve been using a Razer Naga mouse and although I like that it has the 12 programable side buttons, at 12 hour days of modeling, my wrist is suffering and crying out for some ergo comfort. Ideally wireless but can’t have lag.
Any good ergo mouse recommends that dont have technical issues and have good DPI and features?
Thanks.

I find the biggest difference in ergo for mice is size… I have larger hands and if I use a smaller mouse I get awful wrist pain.

microsoft used to make a rather large wireless laser mouse that I loved, but they quit making it and I just wore my last one out…

I use a deathadder chroma wired mouse now and it’s decent, but not amazing.

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this. i love mine, it’s got a few mappable buttons. i’ve got 3 boxer breaks on my right hand and typical mice kill my pinky bones. when i got this it all went away. it’s a little pricey but mine has lasted me over 10 years and still rocking.

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Looks great, but $150?! Wow… not sure…maybe. I did buy a cheaper vertical mouse a couple weeks ago from amazon but returned it because the wheel button was hard to click. How are the buttons on this mouse? Nice and easy to click? Are they programmable?

after 2 years of searching and trying steel series i used a roccat lua for a while, which i still use for traveling because its very compact, not many buttons though. it has “only” 2000 dpi so after finding the logitech g pro wired which has 8000 dpi that is was i am using now, it is a little bigger for a small mouse but still ok. it has 2 side buttons including programmable dpi switch and middle wheel button you get 6 buttons. bigger mice give me the cramps when i cant move my fingers freely.

generally what i have read many times is that wireless is really good already, you dont feel anything anymore. so trying to hold onto a wired mouse may be just a matter of sentiment.

it is pricey, i had my boss buy it for me years ago and it’s still in great shape using it everyday. i wouldn’t have bought it myself at the time but looking back it was worth it. this was also when there weren’t many knocks offs.

they are programmable through a program they provide. buttons are smooth and haven’t degraded

I use Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum. It’s newer iteration (basically the same mouse with different name) is called Logitech G502 Hero. It also has a wireless version called Logitech G502 LightSpeed, whose response time is among the fastest on the market and even beats many wired mice in that department.

If you want to stick with the “Razer” brand, then the good news is that they blatantly copied the same ergonomic shape of Logitech G502 and named it Razer Basilisk. However, Logitech G502 has more programmable buttons, and they also feel better while clicking them.

Thanks. Im going to get the G502 Hero today. We’ll see how it goes.

Just a heads-up since different people get RSI in different ways. The Evoluent vertical mouse lasted a year for me, and then I had to seek professional help from a chiropractor.

We have people at work who still service their 20 year old Microsoft trackballs, but since they’re not made anymore, newcomers at our company can now choose between these two:

So far, I haven’t had to visit the chiropractor again.

And yeah, before you say “trackballs, yuck”, we’ve had people where I work say that for the first year or so… but then some show up with their arm and shoulder pains and want a trackball after all. :slight_smile:

I use Logitech MX Ergo trackball

Again, different people get RSI from different things, but one thing worth nothing:

Most trackballs (like the Logitech one) place the ball under the thumb, which means that you’re stressing one finger at all times. The Microsoft Trackball Explorer and the two Elecom trackballs places the ball under the other fingers, which means that you can vary which finger tracks the ball if you feel the stress coming on.

(There’s a range of trackballs which places the ball in the center as well, for left/right handed use. I tried those too, but only lasted 6 months on one of them, but worth trying if you’re desperate to get rid of RSI!)

I like the Logitech MX Master. I’m on my second generation one now and might invest in the latest one at some point. They also do a vertical ergonomic version that I have been curious about but generally I find the standard shape comfortable.

I did switch to a 3D Connexion wireless CAD mouse for a while earlier this year - I got it bundled with a new Space Mouse controller. It’s a bit smaller that the MX Master with less height. I tried to get on with it but went back to the MX Master. It’s much more comfortable for me.

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Going beyond the mouse for ergonomics, I also believe that users should stop using QWERTY or likewise created setups ASAP and find one that minimizes finger travel and energy usage in the very least - maybe even consider better keyboards that allow for better hand and arm positioning.

I use a Dvorak-based keylayout for that. I’ve been looking at a split keyboard to further improve that (Kyria from splitkb.com is what I’ve been eyeing lately)

The superiority of Dvorak is an urban legend kids get taught in Design school as a “lesson” about “lock-in,” with some political angle. Turns out the only evidence it’s better comes from…anyone, anyone? That’s right, Dvorak.

I don’t use dvorak, I use something that has less finger travel and most used characters under the strongest fingers.

The evidence comes from calculating character occurance in a large body of text, and character sequences. Further making sure that hands and fingers get as much alternation as possible. For me the primary language this is based on is Finnish. QWERTY layout has only 34% of the most used letters under the finger tips in rest pose, my layout has 68%.

There is no need for politics nor urban legends.

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Congratulations for choosing your new toy! :slight_smile: Hopefully it will serve you nicely!

By the way, I recommend you to use the older “Logitech gaming software” version LGS_8.96.88 from Feb 1, 2018. https://logitech-gaming-software.software.informer.com/download/
The latest version has some restrictions (at least on my G502 Proteus Spectrum, not sure if it happens on the Hero updated model) and don’t allow easy transfer of the saved settings between the mouse and the PC.

Shown below are my settings for the mouse. I assigned some commands as aliases to certain F keys on the keybord, then I assigned the keys to several mouse buttons as shown on the image. Worth noting is that I saved the settings into the mouse’s integrated memory. This way, it can be used directly on any other Windows device without the need to install the “Logitech gaming software” on those machines. :slight_smile:

Here is a nice tutorial showing how to set the custom functions of the extra mouse buttons, starting at the 2:27 minute:

I’ve found its not so much the mouse you use, but more the repetitious way you might use it.

It helps to become “ampimousterous” ie train yourself to use your non-dominant hand to also be able to use the mouse, and swap over regularly.

In my experience, it takes about a week to achieve reasonable accuracy with your other hand, and after that about a month or so to be able to swap back and forth without even without even thinking about it.
Consider learning to use a mouse is akin to leaning to draw with a brick, so no-one finds it intuitive when they are first learning to use one, regardless of which hand they use.

The input system I now use is a wacom pen (not just for rhino, but for everything) PLUS a mouse on the other side.
This gives me a lot of variety as to how I might choose to work, and I swap around a lot pretty much at random.

The other problem with a mouse is the buttons, and all that clicking, combined with the positional aspect at the same time.
Remember that the mouse click speed, scroll speed and so on can all be configured to how you might like them through standard windows 10 options.

If you are using a laptop, you might use the touchpad keys for the left and right clicks, while just using the mouse for positional needs. Its surprising how more free your hand will feel if you don’t have to configure it to continually be ready to click the keys.

Many years ago I made a “split mouse”. As the name implies, it was a mouse with no buttons, the buttons being on a remote little platform, with three keys (from a older style keyboard) arranged in a row, and wired to be left, middle and right click. This was placed on the opposite side of the keyboard from the mouse,
The mouse was encased in a paua shell, (which I selected from the local beach, where many differing sizes were washed up and half buried in the sand) which was an extremely pleasing shape to hold, and since there were no buttons, your hand just relaxed over it.

You might nowadays run a utility program that allows you to map any desired keyboard key to left / right or middle clicks…

Finally, it can also be helpful if using a wacom pen or other input device to move the cursor, to then immobilize the mouse by simply gaffer taping it to the desk, (or a small piece of plywood or similar). You place this where it is most comfortable to use; and then it is only used for the buttons.
Try it – it makes a big difference. If you don’t like it, you can just set it free from the tape, and if you do like it, then you might mod it by fixing it more permanently.

Sounds like a lot of hassle, but if you have to use a computer day to day, and your wrist or hand starts hurting, then it is well worth exploring alternatives.

Cheers
rabbit

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I really like the Logitech MX Master (or the Master 2S that my wife has…) that I have at home. I really like being able to assign buttons to things in different programs. In a web browser, the back button is still “back”, but in Rhino, I have it mapped to the shift key, so I can shift+right click to pan without needing the keyboard. The forward button is mapped to the distance command. Foward + back, right now, is mapped to Diameter.

You can also pan in the viewport by holding down the middle mouse button (the one below the scroll wheel) and dragging the mouse. There is an option for that found in: Rhino options > Mouse > Middle mouse button > Manipulate view > Pan :slight_smile: