Wall with holes overhead projection

Hi, what setting am I supopsed to do to get correct overhead projection of walls with holes? I get no overhead projection now.

Correct output I need is this:

his:

Hi @mares_jaroslav do you have your wall Plan Visibility set to “Projection with Overhead”?

If you already do, please share the file so we can check what’s wrong.
Also take into account that you edit the overhead display attributes from the Document Properties > VisualARQ:

Thank you for your quick response – that solved most of my issue.

I still have one problem regarding doors:

In my model, the wall base is located on a subfloor at –250 mm, not directly on the finished floor level.
When I insert a VisualARQ door, the opening cuts through the wall correctly, but the door opening also creates a visible “edge/line” on the floor, because the wall extends below the door.

Is there any way to subtract (“trim”) the part of the wall below the door opening, so that the wall doesn’t show below the door and there is no visible edge on the floor?

Thank you in advance for your help!

Jaroslav

Hello @mares_jaroslav ,

I had the same issue, because in construction the wall is established in concrete and then the rest flooring is layered over the concrete slab and cut by the walls.

The best workaround i have so far is to not use multilayered slabs. I have the concrete slab as single base slab for the walls and then for the floors i draw different slabs over the concrete one.

Since we need the flooring slabs to cut the wall part we are discussing, the walls need to be normal and not core, and the flooring slabs core.

But then you need to draw each flooring slab by “clear” space, not going through and cutting the walls (1 and 2 sketched in red) and have a small slab (3 sketched in blue) between spaces slabs that cuts the wall part we dont want.

With that setup if your flooring is the same style between spaces and the door sill part, you will get drawing without visible edge lines in both plan and sections.

This is best combination i have found, that does not bring problems down the road, has the walls on the concrete slab, keeps the option to have same or different flooring per space, and also the option to have custom door sills between spaces if needed.

best

alexandros

ps this could be easily be an option in visualarq, maybe named for example top/bottom cutout offset, where we set the offset of the boundary that cuts through objects.

@mares_jaroslav If the slab is the same style on each side of the wall, you should not see the edge at the base of the door. If there are two different slabs on each side, and their top layers have different attributes, the edge line will appear at the bottom of the door, since there is a material distinction that needs to be displayed.

If this is still not working for you as expected could you please share your sample file?

Hi,

Thanks for the previous help.

I will describe my problem in a new way and also have attached my 3DM file.

In real construction, walls normally stand on the structural slab (or subfloor), not on the finished floor layer. So in my model. The wall base is at -280 mm, and the floor finish is at 0.00.

When I insert a door at 0.00, the wall is correctly cut, but not the wall below the door / floor, which is incorrect; the wall should be subtracted by the door.

And at the same time, the secondary problem. The floor slab goes through all the walls, and there is an intersection of both the floor and the wall.

Is there any practical, BIM-friendly way to handle this in VisualARQ, without having to manually remodel all the floor slabs and reapply subtraction solids below the doors every single time I move a door or wall?

This is a very common situation — I imagine there must be some workflow or function.

Thanks!

ZH Rochov test.3dm (11.1 MB)

Lets say that the door would cut the wall as you think it is correct. Then still, you would have to model a floor that covers the hole in the door area, which needs to be part (or doesn’t like in my suggested workflow) of the floor of one or both of the rooms floors.

All this with a normal/core configuration between all elements and layers configuration, set up in way that the flooring layers do not cut the walls that we want to be standing on the structural slab.

I am too open to perhaps a better solution, but i think with the current ARQ options my suggested workflow or similar is the best way, where you draw each flooring inside the walls area, and seems to be BIM appropriate since it is just like you do in construction (you dont build flooring under walls, only in the area that is defined by walls).

best
alexandros

hmm gave it a second thought.

If the offending part of the wall below door could somehow be cut, then we could set the walls to core and the floor layers to normal and everything would work as we expect it to work.

That brings forward again the top and bottom opening profile offset suggestion.

I understand that I need to model the flooring manually, per room, and although it is not very efficient, that is acceptable.
But the fact that doors cannot remove the wall portion below the door, leaving the wall intersecting the floor (which must exist there), is an issue.

This is a common and realistic construction condition and currently it cannot be modeled without manual subtracting with a solid, which is not much BIM-friendly.

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Like in my last post i agree with you.

in grasshopper you can easily define for windows and doors the curve profile that makes the hole.

So i think it could be easy for the developers to add a top and bottom profile offset for doors [and windows] to remove the wall part we both do not want at the bottom.

If they implement this there is no need to model the floor for every room (unless there are other design reasons) the wall can be core and cut the normal floors.