Using Top projection together with Levels in order to display the correct information. Model space contains 3D and 2D measurements. Some elements in Layouts.
This is how I would want the export to DWG to work…
I simulated the use by using PDF import (input scale 100:1). This works relatively well as is, by the way. The PDF just explodes everything.
@wim
Mainly yes. In my view PDF is for printing only, as it simplifies geometry for visual purposes. And dows not maintain editability of certain objects. Like dimensions here.
I mean, in a pinch, I have used it. Such as in cases, where I receive only PDF, I will open it up in Rhino. But it’s never 1:1 in geometry or in dimensional accuracy.
Let’s not forget about the case that someone might want to export a DWG from model space, but in 2D!
Option one: the built in DWG exporter ist used in model space. All 3D data is exported, as usual.
Option two: the VA DWG exporter is used in model space: an automatic projection is invoked, hopefully more feature rich than mere ‘hidden line’. You know, hatches and all…
I can’t emphasize enough the importance of a better 3D->2D engine. With that one in place, going from layout to model space should also work much better, of course
As Toni said, this case with different scales in of minor importance. Important is that the Autocad model space looks good after export. People will know if it’s for presentation or a technical drawing.
Yes, @wim, this is the reason. We need fast export from layouts, which would preserve editability in .dwg format (no exploded dimensions), preserve the overall look of layouts just like Print does, and would be capable of exporting all layouts at once. (And then inserting and editing them right in .dwg model space)
Yes, @fsalla, we are concerned, and we want to have it 1:1 in model space by default, as it functions now. But we are also ready to compensate any hard-to-cover situations (2 details on one layout and so on) with a manually typed in “Custom” scale number, just before vaExportToDwg execution. This should be a “Per layout” setting. It might appear in this pop-up window - imagine options like this:
Just like Toni proposes:
And finally, It would be great if vaExportToDwg would include some automatic info about exported layouts into model space:
Hi! I think all of you who have contributed to this topic are aware of the release of VisualARQ 3. Regarding the Layout to DWG feature, we haven’t changed it so much since the start of this conversation, except for some fixed bugs and a couple of requests from @MichalKrizo (the insert point of the drawing sets start at the 0,0 coordinates, and distributed horizontally).
Your request about exporting everything from the Rhino Layout to the CAD model space is still on the table. We understand the reasons for it, but we don’t want to renounce the way it works now, which preserves the scale of the exported 2D drawings, and how we consider many people would prefer to work.
We may consider your request as an additional option to add in future versions, but it won’t happen in VisualARQ 3.
Hi @fsalla , unfortunate to hear, because this unfortunately makes the command pretty much useless for me at least.
I am currently generating all drawings of a building component (wall element) as Make2D curves: Front view with hidden lines, 2x vertical sections, 2x horizontal sections. This is fairly fast to create, but after a hundred drawings, the file is cluttered with curves (between 500k-1M), and is slow to operate for an ie. update of something.
I’m actively trying to wrap my head around this and how could I utilise 3D and VisualARQ views/sections to get rid of the curves. Just have everything in 3D.
Thing that is holding me back currently is: Only Technical view displays hidden lines.
Hidden lines are mandatory, and the issue with Technical is that it _vaExports to DWG as a png. Why is that? Because it prints out as vector graphics in PDF.
Could Hidden view mode have the option to display hidden lines?
With just 3D and VisualARQ I can currently create the print set of PDF’s with Tecnical view. But the issue that I need everything as DWG as well stays unresolved. I have no way to create the matching DWG set from 3D material.
I wonder how difficult it would be to create a PrintToDWG plugin/command, as RhinoPDF already does such a good job with that? Only thing what would need to add would be to retain linetypes and annotations. @wim@stevebaer@brian
@Toni_Osterlund the option to show hidden lines in plan and section views is a planned feature, and when it works with the Hidden display, it will work with the Export to DWG command.
Yes, the goal is to show Hidden lines either in 2D views as in real-time views with the Hidden mode. Are you happy how the Technical display deals with Hidden lines right now?
This is a great idea! I always struggle with the hidden lines of an ALU profile. There are so many been produced. Though, it might not be a bad idea to have the option to do so, if necessary (maybe per object or per style parameter?).
