Training Manual Chapter 9 - Solid Text Question

Hello and thank you for your time!

I’m currently working through [Rhino 6 Level 1 Training Guide and Models] (from 03/25/19 if that matters) and I had a question.

In chapter 9 on page 196 of the PDF it has you create Solid Text to create an engraving in to the solid bar you create, and half of the pictures show the text following the contour of the top of the solid bar.

Also in chapter 9 on page 198 as you create Solid Text curves to trim an extracted surface it shows the curves created on the surface; you do end up trimming the surface and deleting the curves…

My question: Is there a way in the _TextObject command to create text that projects directly onto a curved surface? Or do you always have to create the planar text and then trim/project it to the desired location?

Thank you again!

DaveR

Hi David - no,

Or do you always have to create the planar text and then trim/project it to the desired location?

Yes.

-Pascal

Thank you!

I don’t mind doing it that way, just wanted to make sure I’m doing it the best, most efficient way.

Also, are there any big differences in the Level 1 training book from March of 2019 to the January 2020 edition? Or should this be another topic?

DaveR

Hi Dave - my guess is the changes are minimal, but @mary will know for sure.

-Pascal

Hi DaveR,
Pascal is correct. We do not publish diffs between versions of the Training Guides.
Changes are minimal: typos, missing steps or missing graphics, punctuation, and style updates.

However we did simplify the Grasshopper exercise to “one wheel” in Level 1, while the more challenging “two wheel” version was moved to the Level 2. This change was prompted by feedback that we received from our ARTs and other Rhino teachers that use the guides.

Hope this helps.
Sincerely,

Mary Ann Fugier
McNeel Technical Support and Training
Seattle, WA

Mary,

Thank you so much for your quick reply, the McNeel/Rhino team are the best!

It does help!

DaveR

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Mary,

Just completed the Level 1 Training Guide, and that two wheel Grasshopper chapter was a bear. There was some confusing text after in the descriptions of scaling the mirrored wheel.

Having finished the Level 1 Training Guide I was debating going through either the “Rhino 6 Users Guide” (to really ground the basics I’ve learned and give my brain a little bit of a break while still working toward a goal) or jumping directly into the Level 2 Training Guide.

I have several years experience modeling complex surfaces in Mastercam (waterskis, etc.) if that helps you to offer advice.

Thank you and take care,

DaveR

Hi DaveR,
Thanks for the update. Yes, we found the the two wheel GH definition is better for Level 2. The latest Level 1 has the simplifed one wheel GH definition.

Can you be more specific here? What page" What step and what does it currently state?
What would you want it to say? I will take a look and rework any step that you send me. Thanks for the additional detail.

That sounds like that could have been challenging.

Take care.
Sincerely,
Mary Ann Fugier
McNeel Technical Support and Training
Seattle, WA

If you look on page 332 of the training manual from 3/25/19 the picture shows a List Item to the right of the Scaling item, and when asked to complete steps 2 and 3 it “broke” the design with a circular reference.

I think that some of the pictures of the items being bigger in scope would have been more helpful, primarily the illustrations on page 332 and 333.

Looking over the instructions and illustrations of the section “Locating the Bottom Surface of the Wheel Bounding Box” it has us create a List Item in Step1 (after the Scale Item previously built); then has us create Bounding Box in Step 4, then a Deconstruct Brep Item in Step6. Making our item chain Mirror >>> Scale >>> List Item >>> B.Box>>>Deconstruct Brep.

Then in Step8 it has us “Connect the output from the Deconstruct Brep B to the input of List Item L”; which, having just crated a List Item in Step1 leads me to connect these Items…creating a circular reference and breaking the equation. If the picture on p.333 has shown the solution with 2 list items (Mirror >>> Scale >>> List Item >>> B.Box>>>Deconstruct Brep>>>List Item) that would have been been helpful, or if we were told to create a second List Item after the Deconstruct Brep Item, that would have been the best. I was bale to see this in looking at the Grasshopper Bike Wheels training file…but it was confusing when the directions left out the second List Item.

So now that we have the confusion of the List Item, and all of that (based on the instruction on p.332 and 333.) coming AFTER the Scaling Item in the chain, when (in steps 2 and 3 of “Scaling the Front Bike Wheel from Bottom” at the bottom of p.333) I was asked to "2. Connect the output from List Item i to the Area m2 G." “3. Connect the Area m2 C to the Input of Scale C or center.” This, again, created a circular reference and broke the equation, because all of this should have been feeding into, not derived from the Scaling Item.

I hope that clear enough and helpful.

And, learning to program in Mastercam came over a long time. Initially I was using it solely for CAM programming and then, slowly, began taking over work from some of the design group that directly related to the manufacturing process, so I could increase my value and free them up to to more deign work.

Thank you and take care,

Dave Robinson