Hi. I’m using rhino 8.1 and When I Rotate viewport or pan it, It keeps stopping and moving again like a short freeze. It was so smoother in rhino 7. Could you please tell me how to fix this.
Thank you.
Hi Saho - can you please post the results of the SystemInfo command in Rhino? Do you see this with any file?
-Pascal
Hi . Yes I do. I see this with any files. In my both pc and may laptop.
Rhino 8 SR1 2023-11-21 (Rhino 8, 8.1.23325.13001, Git hash:master @ 8a4a437248efac5d9cb04d3904481b83e4c23a64)
License type: Commercial, build 2023-11-21
License details: Stand-Alone
Windows 11 (10.0.22621 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 32Gb)
.NET 7.0.0
Computer platform: DESKTOP
Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti (NVidia) Memory: 8GB, Driver date: 10-26-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 546.01
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #0
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #1
OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)
Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High
Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 10-26-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.15.4601
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 8 GB
Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.1.23325.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.1.23325.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.1.23325.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.1.23325.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.1.23325.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.1.23325.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.1.23325.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”
@BrianJ - is this similar to what you reported?
-Pascal
Yes it is.
Yes.
@Saho If the Properties panel is not visible, does this happen for you?
No it doesn’t. I didn’t see the problem.
But with properties panel visible The problem persists.
Does the visible properties panel affect the performance?
Thanks for confirming that, I am working with the developers on our end to try and get this fixed. The Properties panel shouldn’t cause this and I wanted to check if you see the issue fixed when it’s hidden. This helps us focus in on the actual cause, thanks again.
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you’re welcome .
Thank you very much for your great support.
I am truly grateful for your consideration.
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RH-75091 Display flickers intermittently for a split second
Hi, I have a very similar problem. Working with such lag is driving me crazy 
Rhino 7 works pretty much the same as Rhino 8.3.
(If it’s something else please split the topic)
System Info
Rhino 8 SR3 2023-12-20 (Rhino 8, 8.3.23354.09001, Git hash:master @ 235baa4e9ef85abea58956ee7ff4a477d53a4188)
License type: Evaluation, build 2023-12-20
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2024-01-30
Windows 11 (10.0.22621 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 64Gb)
.NET 7.0.11
Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [99% battery remaining]
Non-hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA RTX A3000 12GB Laptop GPU (NVidia) Memory: 11GB, Driver date: 10-4-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 537.58
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #1
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA RTX A3000 12GB Laptop GPU (NVidia) Memory: 11GB, Driver date: 10-4-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 537.58
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #1
OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)
Anti-alias mode: 8x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High
Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 10-4-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.15.3758
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 11520 MB
Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Users\Czaja\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\8.0\Plug-ins\Bella (813de3fb-18eb-405f-bfcd-b0b4d3da91fb)\23.6.0.0\bella_rhino.rhp “Bella” 23.6.0.0
C:\Users\Czaja\Desktop\Rhino_7_Win_2023.0417\HDRLightStudioTexture.rhp “HDRLightStudioTexture”
C:\Program Files\Common Files\McNeel\Rhinoceros\8.0\Plug-ins\Crayon (39629248-4fa6-47b8-83c7-745a7efea259)\1.2.0.0\Crayon\Crayon.rhp “Crayon” 1.0.0.0
C:\Users\Czaja\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\8.0\SubstanceImporter\2.0.5\Substance.Win.rhp “SubstanceImporter” 2.0.5.0
C:\ProgramData\McNeel\Rhinoceros\7.0\Plug-ins\Datasmith Rhino Exporter (d1fdc795-b334-4933-b680-088119cdc6bb)\DatasmithRhino7.rhp “Datasmith Exporter” 5.3.2.0
Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.3.23354.9001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.3.23354.9001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.3.23354.9001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.3.23354.9001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.3.23354.9001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.3.23354.9001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.3.23354.9001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedPositions.rhp “Named Position”
You can see that selecting some object before viewport panning helps. Interestingly, it seems that the smaller the selected object, the smoother everything works. If I have a small object selected panning and orbiting around the model is very smooth.
In the video, inside the polysurface, there are 2700 blocks that are shrinkwrapped geometries from Revit. I’ve sent this file to the support.
I was asked to close the properties Panel but this did not help.
It’s always much easier to feel it when you pan the viewport yourself, but I hope it’s visible in the video too.
Rhino 7
Rhino 8
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Ok, now it become urgent for me and it’s more than a PITA.
BTW I’m using Rhino 8.6.24074.1001 and this problem still exists.
System Info
Rhino 8 SR6 2024-3-14 (Rhino 8, 8.6.24074.01001, Git hash:master @ def4e7ae5a5339578727a42cbd95e31d75b3faf0)
License type: Commercial, build 2024-03-14
License details: Cloud Zoo
Windows 11 (10.0.22631 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 64GB)
.NET 7.0.11
Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [95% battery remaining]
Non-hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA RTX A3000 12GB Laptop GPU (NVidia) Memory: 11GB, Driver date: 5-24-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 535.98
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA RTX A3000 12GB Laptop GPU (NVidia) Memory: 11GB, Driver date: 5-24-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 535.98
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
Secondary graphics devices.
Intel(R) UHD Graphics (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 6-15-2023 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Secondary monitor is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)
Anti-alias mode: 8x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High
Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 5-24-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.15.3598
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 11520 MB
Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\ProgramData\McNeel\Rhinoceros\7.0\Plug-ins\Datasmith Rhino Exporter (d1fdc795-b334-4933-b680-088119cdc6bb)\DatasmithRhino7.rhp “Datasmith Exporter” 5.3.2.0
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Tibidabo\VisualARQ.rhp “VisualARQ”
C:\Users\Czaja\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\8.0\Plug-ins\Bella (813de3fb-18eb-405f-bfcd-b0b4d3da91fb)\24.2.0.0\bella_rhino.rhp “Bella” 24.2.0.0
C:\Users\Czaja\Desktop\Rhino_7_Win_2023.0417\HDRLightStudioTexture.rhp “HDRLightStudioTexture”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Tibidabo\Tibidabo.rhp “Tibidabo”
C:\Program Files\Common Files\McNeel\Rhinoceros\8.0\Plug-ins\Crayon (39629248-4fa6-47b8-83c7-745a7efea259)\1.2.0.0\Crayon\Crayon.rhp “Crayon” 1.0.0.0
C:\Users\Czaja\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\BlockEditNew\BlockEditNew.rhp “BlockEdit” 1.0.0.0
Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.6.24074.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\WebBrowser.rhp “WebBrowser”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoScript.rhp “RhinoScript”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\IdleProcessor.rhp “IdleProcessor”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.6.24074.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.6.24074.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.6.24074.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\IronPython\RhinoDLR_Python.rhp “IronPython” 8.6.24074.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.6.24074.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Grasshopper\GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 8.6.24074.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.6.24074.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”
Hi @Czaja ,
What you are experiencing may be a different issue than what has been fixed in the 8.6 SRC. I found your uploaded model to us from back in Dec. and so far I can’t reproduce a display lag. Did you ever try disabling the additional plugins to test and see if they were involved? I’d also recommend updating the GPU drivers from Nvidia too. I’ve found Windows 11 can require that for Rhino 8.
Hi, It boiled down to the 3D connexion 3D Mouse plugin. I have a 3D Connexion, but on my current laptop, I didn’t install any drivers for it because I’m not using it regularly. However, SpaceMouse works in Rhino nonetheless. If I’m not mistaken this Rhino plugin is developed by McNeel staff, right?
Disabling it resolved the issue that was occurring while using just a regular mouse to navigate (SpaceMouse wasn’t even turned on).
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No, it is not developed by us but by 3DConnexion themselves.
Ah, sorry, maybe at least I’m right about that it is shipped with Rhino? Because it is installed on my work computer also. I thought this plugin was McNeel’s effort to make this device work better. Anyway… if you wish, you can report this thing to the 3D Connexion, maybe they will give it a higher priority than if it was me.