We’ve been scratching our heads as to why Rhino Inside Revit (RiR) 2025 specifically crashes when in conjunction of the add-in Climate Studio but have no way to analyze the .dmp file. I’m attaching it here in hopes to find out why but as far as we know it is primarily on Solemma to fix.
Basically when we have it set to dont load or outright remove the add-in the plugin works mostly. We do see issues loading Enscape within the addin as well but that can be disabled within the plugin. (screenshot added as well)
However if it turns out the data shows its RiR we would like to work in conjunction to resolve this issue.
Rhino Inside Revit Version: 1.24.9022.17166
Enscape Version: 4.1.0.2321
Rhino Version: 8.11.24254.15001
Climate Studio Version (with Revit Import/Export) :2.0.8978.19824
Any and all help / feedback would be greatly appreciated
Than you so much for your input. Its so unfortunate that in an enterprise environment addins and applets cant all get along as we would wish in a perfect world. However the beauty of technology is forever innovation which can cause conflicts in code and values depending on who makes it.
We are reaching out to all parties to hopefully have this issue resolved. Again we thank you for your input and insight.
It actually happened again when attempting to launch RiR in tandem with Vray for Revit as well. We are still using the following versions but attached is the rhino dump from that crash. Checking the revit logs it ends with the start command of RiR
Rhino Crash & Revit Journals: https://file.io/Fa2QbqQucoXa
We are going to start testing the nightly versions to see if this issue is fixed already, however we are currently stuck with this version for production since we only use stable releases and usually those that are 5-6 months from either september or january depending on the time of year
Is this isolated to Vray + RiR? or are there still other addins/plugins involved as well (enscape,climate studio,…). Disabling addins/plugins to get back to a baseline is the recommended troubleshooting method.
Do know of a previous configuration that worked? not recalling any recent changes that would affect this? I can send you the older version and we can confirm a regression.
The only previous config that would work that would be on our radar would be 1.24 paired with revit '24 unfortunately. The only way RiR works with the versioning above is if it is by itself.
Oddly enough. When I follow the instructions to enable the daily builds via the knowledge articles, even trying to run the RiR settings gear causes revit to crash when other plugins are enabled in tandem.
I will try to create a VM where its just an isolated revit '25 and RiR daily, then add from there and see what breaks/doesnt
I just was able to install RiR daily 1.28.9105.8125 today and test it with vray for revit. I received the same result unfortunately. Attached is the dump from the use.
Procedure was as follows:
Install fresh windows, revit, rhino 8.11 and rhino inside revit.
change RiR to daily versions, Download and install
open RiR
install Vray inside Revit
attempt to launch RiR
Crash > extract dump
The most recent dump was a fresh instance of windows 11 which has .NET 8 as its base framework. Revit, Rhino 8.11 and Rhino Inside are also fresh installs and the only installations on the new machine. I could try to do a repair but, since its a fresh instance and the crashes are consistent when only Rhino Inside is present and specifically when launched, it is highly unlikely that a repair should be needed. However I will perform it for troubleshooting sake.
Does Rhino Inside have a preference for Core Runtime or Desktop Runtime? Win 11 runs desktop natively… perhaps also a version number minimum preference?
When running inside Revit 2025 Rhino is running in .netCore 8 & Rhino does not have any issues in that regard. It runs in .NetCore 7 when Rhino 8 is running standalone, all other Revit versions run in .netframework 4.8 as will Rhino 7 or 8.
Is there any way for McNeel to reach out to Chaos Group to resolve these issues? I can not load RIR and either Enscape or Vray at the same time. It crashes on startup.
As Vray and Enscape are used quite heavily in the industry I would think McNeel would be open to working with them to fix the issue so we can all be happy and design wonderful things. if it has to come to it I feel my firm would have to give up RIR before it would Enscape and Vray.
Pollination and Climate Studio have recently resolved the conflicts (not sure if they’ve released yet), although I think the Enscape in Rhino at the same time as Revit is a more complex issue.
@Nikolay is there anything we can help you with in this regard?
I could take a look, but I don’t have access to any of the .dmp files attached. They have probably expired.
We know there are issues with 3rd party dependencies version conflicts, and we’re working towards eliminating all of them. Basically not relying on any external code at all.
In the recent version of V-Ray for Revit we removed some of them, and will have even more removed in the near future
@Japhy, could you post some longer call stack and a source .dll the unknown function is coming from.
a recent .dmp file would help the most.
You can try copy the .dll from the Rhino folder (e.g. “C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\System\Xceed.Wpf.Toolkit.dll”)
to the V-Ray for Revit installation folder (e.g. “C:\Program Files\Chaos\V-Ray\V-Ray for Revit”), overwriting the V-Ray’s version of the file
