Rhino 7 wip 2d drawing still laggy and slow

OXII · September 22, 2020, 2:50pm

Hi,

in our company (small, architecture & furniture design) we have now switched to Rhino mac 7 wip. We are testing it extensively and for the most part are quiet satisfied.

What is still a bit disappointing is 2d drawing speed. Zooming and drawing still feels laggy and every click seems to have a delay. We are not working on huge projects, it is all small stuff. We encounter the same problem with my macbook pro, my brothers macbook pro (13 inch) and our mac minis.

OXII · September 22, 2020, 2:51pm

Machine 1:

Rhino 7 SR0 2020-9-15 (Rhino WIP, 7.0.20259.15066, Git hash:master @ 7b653f7913cee10b2bd173435b93e0202bd2ae71)
License type: Commercial, build 2020-09-15
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2020-10-30

Apple Intel 64-bit macOS Version 10.15.6 (Build 19G2021) (Physical RAM: 16Gb)
Mac Model Identifier: MacBookPro13,3
Language: en-IT (MacOS default)

AMD Radeon Pro 450 OpenGL Engine (OpenGL ver:4.1 ATI-3.10.16)

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: Height

Vendor Name: ATI Technologies Inc.
Render version: 4.1
Shading Language: 4.10
Maximum Texture size: 16384 x 16384
Z-Buffer depth: n/a
Maximum Viewport size: 16384 x 16384
Total Video Memory: 2 GB
Graphics: AMD Radeon Pro 450
Displays: Color LCD (258dpi 2x)

Graphics processors
Intel HD Graphics 530 (1536 MB)
AMD Radeon Pro 450 (2 GB)
Color LCD (1680 x 1050)

USB devices
Apple Inc.: Apple T1 Controller

Bluetooth devices
Broadcom: Magic Mouse 2

Third party kernel extensions
None

Third party plugins
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCore.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreFoundation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreGraphics.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDarwin.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDispatch.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftFoundation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftIOKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftObjectiveC.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftXPC.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCryptoTokenKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftos.dylib
/Users/achimreifer/Library/Application Support/McNeel/Rhinoceros/MacPlugIns/maxwell_rhino.rhp/libmwdotnet_native.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libmxcommon.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libcudart.10.1.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/wireframetexture.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/LensExtensions.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellCloner.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libboost_date_time.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libboost_system.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libboost_filesystem.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libboost_iostreams.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libboost_thread.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/xritebrdf.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libAxFDecoding.1.7.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellProcedurals.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/TiledTexture.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellHair.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MGrassH.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MGrassP.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellGrass.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/SubdivisionModifier.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libmwglew.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libmwtbb.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellSea.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/Substance.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellScatter.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/AssetReference.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellVolumetric.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libmwtbbmalloc.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MWObjectAlembic.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellMesher.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaterialModifiers.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/TableBrdf.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/rfmeshes.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellParticles.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/rwmeshes.osx.mxx
/Users/achimreifer/Library/Application Support/McNeel/Rhinoceros/MacPlugIns/maxwell_rhino.rhp/libmxdotnet_native.dylib
/usr/lib/log/liblog_network.dylib

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
/Users/achimreifer/Library/Application Support/McNeel/Rhinoceros/MacPlugIns/maxwell_rhino.rhp “Maxwell for Rhino” 5.1.6.2

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/PlugIns/NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/PlugIns/RhinoBonusTools.rhp “Rhino Bonus Tools” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/PlugIns/PanelingTools.rhp “PanelingTools” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/PlugIns/AnimationTools.rhp “AnimationTools” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/PlugIns/SolidTools.rhp “SolidTools” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhMaterialEditor.framework “Renderer Development Kit” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/PlugIns/Displacement.rhp “Displacement” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/PlugIns/RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Commands.rhp “Commands” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Import_OBJ.rhp “Import_OBJ” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_XAML.rhp “export_xaml” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/QuadRemesh.rhp “QuadRemesh” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Export_OBJ.rhp “export_OBJ” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RDK_EtoUI.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_SVG.rhp “Export SVG” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Export_DAE.rhp “Export_DAE” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_PDF.rhp “PDF Export” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_IGES.rhp “IGES Export Plug-in” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Import_SVG.rhp “Import_SVG” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/BlockEdit.rhp “BlockEdit” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Export_AMF.rhp “Export_AMF” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/import_DST.rhp “Import_DST” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_PLY.rhp “PLY - Polygon File Format Export” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Import_AMF.rhp “Import_AMF” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoDLR_Python.rhp “IronPython” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 7.0.20259.15066

OXII · September 22, 2020, 3:10pm

Machine 2:

Rhino 7 SR0 2020-9-15 (Rhino WIP, 7.0.20259.15066, Git hash:master @ 7b653f7913cee10b2bd173435b93e0202bd2ae71)
License type: Commercial, build 2020-09-15
License details: Cloud Zoo
Expires on: 2020-10-30

Apple Intel 64-bit macOS Version 10.15.6 (Build 19G2021) (Physical RAM: 16Gb)
Mac Model Identifier: Macmini7,1
Language: en-IT (MacOS default)

Intel Iris OpenGL Engine (OpenGL ver:4.1 INTEL-14.7.8)

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: Height

Vendor Name: Intel Inc.
Render version: 4.1
Shading Language: 4.10
Maximum Texture size: 16384 x 16384
Z-Buffer depth: n/a
Maximum Viewport size: 16384 x 16384
Total Video Memory: 1536 MB
Graphics: Intel Iris
Displays: EV2216W (90dpi 1x), EV2216W (90dpi 1x)

Graphics processors
Intel Iris (1536 MB)
EV2216W (1680 x 1050)
EV2216W (1680 x 1050)

USB devices
Apple, Inc.: IR Receiver
Apple Inc.: Bluetooth USB Host Controller
Apple Inc.: Apple Keyboard
Logitech: USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse

Bluetooth devices
None

Third party kernel extensions
None

Third party plugins
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCore.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreFoundation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreGraphics.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDarwin.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDispatch.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftFoundation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftIOKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftObjectiveC.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftXPC.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCryptoTokenKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftos.dylib
/Users/0xii/Library/Application Support/McNeel/Rhinoceros/MacPlugIns/maxwell_rhino.rhp/libmwdotnet_native.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libmxcommon.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libcudart.10.1.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/wireframetexture.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/LensExtensions.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellCloner.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libboost_date_time.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libboost_system.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libboost_filesystem.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libboost_iostreams.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libboost_thread.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/xritebrdf.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libAxFDecoding.1.7.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellProcedurals.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/TiledTexture.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellHair.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MGrassH.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MGrassP.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellGrass.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/SubdivisionModifier.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libmwglew.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libmwtbb.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellSea.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/Substance.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellScatter.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/AssetReference.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellVolumetric.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/libmwtbbmalloc.dylib
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MWObjectAlembic.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellMesher.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaterialModifiers.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/TableBrdf.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/rfmeshes.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/MaxwellParticles.osx.mxx
/Applications/Maxwell Render 5/extensions/rwmeshes.osx.mxx
/Users/0xii/Library/Application Support/McNeel/Rhinoceros/MacPlugIns/maxwell_rhino.rhp/libmxdotnet_native.dylib
/usr/lib/log/liblog_network.dylib

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
/Users/0xii/Library/Application Support/McNeel/Rhinoceros/MacPlugIns/maxwell_rhino.rhp “Maxwell for Rhino” 5.1.6.2

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/PlugIns/NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/PlugIns/RhinoBonusTools.rhp “Rhino Bonus Tools” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/PlugIns/PanelingTools.rhp “PanelingTools” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/PlugIns/AnimationTools.rhp “AnimationTools” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/PlugIns/SolidTools.rhp “SolidTools” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhMaterialEditor.framework “Renderer Development Kit” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/PlugIns/Displacement.rhp “Displacement” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/PlugIns/RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render” 7.0.20259.1002
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Commands.rhp “Commands” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Import_OBJ.rhp “Import_OBJ” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_XAML.rhp “export_xaml” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/QuadRemesh.rhp “QuadRemesh” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Export_OBJ.rhp “export_OBJ” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RDK_EtoUI.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_SVG.rhp “Export SVG” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Export_DAE.rhp “Export_DAE” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_PDF.rhp “PDF Export” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_IGES.rhp “IGES Export Plug-in” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Import_SVG.rhp “Import_SVG” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/BlockEdit.rhp “BlockEdit” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Export_AMF.rhp “Export_AMF” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/import_DST.rhp “Import_DST” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_PLY.rhp “PLY - Polygon File Format Export” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Import_AMF.rhp “Import_AMF” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoDLR_Python.rhp “IronPython” 7.0.20259.15066
/Applications/RhinoWIP.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 7.0.20259.15066

theoutside · September 22, 2020, 3:36pm

both machines are light on vram which could explain the performance issue you are seeing.

The 2nd machine is running intel iris graphics which are not great for open gl programs like rhino.

the 1st machine only has 2gb vram on the radeon… again… a little light as we’d like to see 4gb.

see this thread- If you are buying a new laptop READ THIS

for macs, the choices are very limited, but in order to run well, you should buy the biggest graphics card they offer in each machine. RUN AWAY from intel integrated graphics machines.

Gijs · September 22, 2020, 7:04pm

Also note that even if you will buy a maxed out MacBook Pro, you’re still going to find that Rhino for Mac is going to feel more sluggish than Rhino for windows, (unless maybe when you’re running windows on bootcamp). And I find it still much less responsive than v5 Mac Rhino.
Also the more instances I open the slower it gets unlike with Rhino on my Windows desktop.

I tested out Rhino 6 the other day on an i9 MacBook Pro 16” with Radeon 5500 4Gb. That one was about 75% faster in a few display tests than my current 15” with 2Gb Radeon 450 ‘pro’. But to say it was fluent or fast? Not even close. In fact the best option I think is to buy a relatively simple windows laptop for just Rhino and then a MacBook for the rest. Every other trackpad feels rubbish after getting used to the ones on Mac but that you don’t need anyway in Rhino.

OXII · September 23, 2020, 1:13pm

I remember that as I student about more than 10 years ago I started to work with the first versions of Rhino mac 5 wip (the one with Toucan Render). There I had the cheapest mac hardware avalible, the cheapest macbook. But performancewise Rhino mac 5 was always fast, stable and saving resources. Since 6 and 7 wip, although it got muuuch better over the last months, there seems still be something wrong with the software itself. It feels just laggy and unresponsive, 2d drawing and layouting is slow. I know you can always buy better hardware, but Apple’s one is insanely overpriced when you want top of the shelf products with the best specs. That’s why people with Apple hardware buy normal spec macs and use their computer for a longer time. That is acutally the point.