Object Copied from a previous file will NOT PASTE into a new file


#1

Hello again.

Last night I was rolling. Everything worked. This morning, I wanted to finish up a project, and PASTE will not work.
It worked beautifully last evening. This morning I did the same thing that I did last night, I created an object with the extrude function, and COPIED IT. I then closed that file. I opened another file, that I need the object for, maximized the TOP window, and clicked on PASTE. NOTHING PASTED. I tried this FIVE times,with the same nothing result, each time. The program says “copied to clipboard” when I copy it, but NOTHING pastes, when I select paste. Can someone please tell me WTF is going on here?

Thank you

Karl S


(David Cockey) #2

An alternative to copying and pasting is to open the first file and use the Export command and copy the desired objects into a new file. Then close the first file, open the file you want the objects to appear in, and Import the file you just created with the desired objects into the open file.

One possibility is Paste is putting the objects outside of what’s visible on the screen. Try Ctrl-Alt-E or Zoom with the Extents option to zoom the viewports so that all open objects are visible.


#3

Thank you for your reply. I used ZOOM with the E (extents) option. The existing image in the window got very large. The pasted object was not shown anywhere. Why wouldn’t the program paste an object into the selected view window? I used copy to create another file this morning, with NO PROBLEMS. I do not understand this…and I’m still very frustrated, because I can’t work on that file…I can’t paste what I need to into the file. I will try the import thing. I still don’t understand why THIS object is not copying, yet other objects ARE copying…


(Chris Kuether ) #4

Have you triied ‘selbadobjects’?


(David Cockey) #5

[quote=“Karl_Starke, post:3, topic:45997”]
Thank you for your reply. I used ZOOM with the E (extents) option. The existing image in the window got very large.
[/quote]Do you mean the area covered in the viewport become very large? If so an object is near the edges of the viewport Zoom with the Extent option zooms out until all objects are in the viewport, but not much further. You may be zoomed out far enough that the object near the edge of the viewport is too small to be visible.

Back to basic concepts in Rhino. Objects in Rhino are located in a global 3D coordinate system, not in a screen position. Viewports are windows into that 3D space. When you “paste” an object into Rhino you are creating a copy in the same 3D space location with the same orientation in 3D space as it was when you copied it. What part of 3D space is visible in a viewport does not affect where the object is pasted in 3D space. The direction of the viewport does not affect the orientation of the object in 3D space. The object may be pasted into a location outside of what is visible in the viewport. Thin objects can be difficult to see when viewed on end.

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#6

OK, I just tried importing the object into the file I was working on, and the program said it was imported successfully.
I then tried ZOOM, with the E option, and the same thing happened, that happened last time. The object in the view window got very large, but nothing else was displayed. I PANNED the screen TWO FULL SCREEN DIAGONALS in all directions. The object “imported” was not there. Meanwhile, I’m sitting here, fucking all of this, with NO RESULTS.

This program has some serious coding problems. It’s not your fault…you’re trying your best, and I very much appreciate the helpful suggestions and hints from everyone here in the forum.

  1. any object that is pasted or imported, should be placed at 0X,0Y,0Z in the current window, regardless of where it was created. In IlIustrator, the object is always place at window center, regardless of the zoom level.
  2. I need a CLOSE FILE option under the FILE commands. I know they don’t want to do this, but this is not tough. Right now, the only way I have to clear everything is to either load new file, or close the program. Closing the program costs TIME. Rhino STALLS on load, if Illustrator is open (frequently loads two copies when it does load)…and then I have to START OVER, which takes even more time.

As I have said before, I am an artist. I have been using Illustrator for many years, because it is a great program. I do 3D-printing on my Form2, but only once in while.

ChrisK, I just tried your suggestion…the program returned: “No bad objects selected.”

Well, I’m off for now. I am stuck…I shouldn’t have to waste time fucking with this, but I have no choice. I will try again later.

Thanks to all

Karl S


(David Cockey) #7

Are you assuming that Rhino should work like Illustrator. If so that is the root cause of many if not most, of your difficulties in using Rhino. You need to accept that Rhino works differently than Illustrator, and then invest time in learning how Rhino works. Otherwise you will continue to be frustrated.

Rhino modeling is based on 3D space, not individual viewports.

[quote=“Karl_Starke, post:6, topic:45997”]
any object that is pasted or imported, should be placed at 0X,0Y,0Z in the current window, regardless of where it was created. In IlIustrator, the object is always place at window center, regardless of the zoom
[/quote]That is not how Rhino is designed to work. Not a code problem

[quote=“Karl_Starke, post:6, topic:45997”]
I then tried ZOOM, with the E option, and the same thing happened, that happened last time. The object in the view window got very large, but nothing else was displayed.
[/quote]In that case there is nothing else active in the 3D space.

Did you try using Export and Import as I suggested in a previous post?


(Pascal Golay) #8

Hi Karl - try opening two Rhinos and copy/paste from one to the other.

-Pascal


(Wim Dekeyser) #9

Also, when you paste an object from another file, all objects in your current file will be unselected and the pasted object will be selected. So - a Zoom - Selected will bring that object into the viewport.


#10

When I selected other objects and pasted them, there were no problems.Yes, I did try it, David. The object I tried to paste was an extrusion.

When I copy and try to paste an object into a new file, I have the right to expect that it will paste…but the object in question did NOT paste. Also, if I am finished working with a file, and wish to start creating my own new file (another different file) for creating another project, how in hell am I supposed to do this, if I have no CLOSE FILE command? The only way I can do this right now, is to delete the items that are in the open file, and then do a “Save as” with the new file name, and nothing on the screen, after the objects in the old file have all been deleted. That’s nonsense…or quit the program completely, and re-load the program completely (which includes all plug-ins, such as RhinoCAM, RhinoGold and Clayoo). THIS TAKES TIME…much more time than having a CLOSE FILE command would take. These ARE coding problems, in my opinion.

I will try ZOOM-SELECTED…but shouldn’t have to look all ever hell, for a pasted object . It should be there, where I can see it…I’m not expecting this to work exactly like Illustrator…but I am expecting ease of use.

Thank you all.

Karl S,


(Pascal Golay) #11

Hi Karl - please just try the New command. Just once, you’ll see.

It will be in the same 3d coordinates as it was in the originating file.

-Pascal


#12

I just tried the paste operation again, and it worked this time…more later