Grasshopper causing a crash when opening

VisualARQ
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Hello,

I just installed Rhino V8 on a new computer and noticed that if I have a model open and then open grasshopper it crashes Rhino. If I open Rhino, then open grasshopper, then my model it doesn’t crash. The major plugin I have running are Visualarq 3, Vray 7, and Rhinocam 2025.

Here is this bit if its helpful:

Rhino 8 SR17 2025-3-7 (Rhino 8, 8.17.25066.07001, Git hash:master @ b14fcd901289f8715631debb308bc919a4988e07)
License type: Commercial, build 2025-03-07
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 11 (10.0.26100 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 63GB)
.NET 7.0.0

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [100% battery remaining]

Hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display: AMD Radeon™ 890M Graphics (AMD) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 2-5-2025 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 5 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port 1
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU (NVidia) Memory: 8GB, Driver date: 6-9-2024 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 556.05
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Secondary monitor is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
GPU Tessellation is: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 6-9-2024
Driver Version: 32.0.15.5605
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 8188 MB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Chaos\V-Ray\V-Ray for Rhinoceros\V8\VRayForRhino.rhp “V-Ray for Rhino”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCAM 2025 for R8\RhinoArt1FileExporter For Rhino8.0.rhp “RhinoArt1FileExporter”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Tibidabo\Tibidabo.rhp “Tibidabo”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCAM 2025 for R8\RhinoCAM 2025 For Rhino8.0.rhp “RhinoCAM 2025 - The cutting edge CAM plug-in for Rhino 8.0 from MecSoft Corporation”

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SolidTools.rhp “SolidTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.17.25066.7001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\WebBrowser.rhp “WebBrowser”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoScript.rhp “RhinoScript”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\AnimationTools.rhp “AnimationTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\IdleProcessor.rhp “IdleProcessor”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.17.25066.7001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.17.25066.7001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.17.25066.7001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\IronPython\RhinoDLR_Python.rhp “IronPython” 8.17.25066.7001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.17.25066.7001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Grasshopper\GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 8.17.25066.7001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.17.25066.7001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedPositions.rhp “Named Position”

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Also, not sure if this is related, but I am getting these messages when closing rhino.

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Hi Jason -

When Rhino crashes, does the crash reporter pop up? I’m not finding crash reports from your eMail address, so if that dialog pops up, please make sure to always send that in.

Does that have to be a specific model or does a simple box in a new file also do this?

What happens when you disable the plug-ins in the plugin manager and restart Rhino? Do you still get the crash?
-wim

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The crash reporter does not pop up. Rhino just disappears.

I tried a simple file with just a box and grasshopper opened fine. I opened some older files that were not associated with a grasshopper file and grasshopper did not crash Rhino when launched. I found that if the file had geometry that had been baked from a previous session and I opened the file before launching grasshopper for the first time then Rhino crashes. I have attached a test file that does what I am describing, at least on my new computer. I haven’t tried it on my old computer. I did try disabling vray and rhinocam and the issue persisted.

grasshopper test.3dm (1.7 MB)

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Why only those two? You should also try disabling all plug-ins that do not ship with Rhino, including VisualARQ and Tibidabo.

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I already had Visualarq disabled, I forgot to mention that. If it were enabled rhino wouldn’t crash since Visualarq launches grasshopper when you open Rhino.

That said, everything worked fine when I disabled Tibidabo. I didn’t realize that was associated with Visualarq. I often disable Visualarq when I’m not working on architecture projects so Rhino opens faster. I guess I should also be disabling Tibidabo. It didn’t cause problems on my old computer.

Thanks for the help. Not sure it its a bug or just my computer.

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Correct. I’ll move this topic to VisualARQ so they are aware that there’s a crash for them to solve.

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@fsalla here’s a case for you to check!

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Hi @Jason_McCloskey can you describe the steps you follow until the crash happens? I’ve opened your 3dm file, then Grasshopper but nothing strange happens. Please provide a Grasshopper definition if necessary.
Also, can you test this again with all third-party Grasshopper add-ons disabled? I’m not sure if this is related to VisualARQ at all.
Thanks,