File saving slow again, but autosave is fast

mikity_kogekoge · August 24, 2019, 6:21pm

Hello I know there are already topics about this issue but I decided to make a new post to catch somebody’s attention.
I’ve seen this Rhino saving extremely slow issue couple of times, and still don’t know what triggers this. Maybe Antivirus? This hasn’t been happening for a while but started happening on my new environment. Once this problem started happening, 1gb takes more than 1hour and 500gb for 30mins. Regardless of whether it is a network drive or a local drive, normally 1gb saving should be done in less than 10mins if there is no problem.

In my case, it’s slow even if I’m saving files to a local drive.

But, I found something that might be interesting… Autosave is fast. It’s very fast. There is no slowing down. I assigned Autosave to Ctrl+S and will see this can be a temporary remedy.

Does this, Save is slow but Autosave is fast, give somebody a clue of what’s happening?

Rhino_Bulgaria · August 24, 2019, 7:39pm

If I remember correctly, the default setting for Autosave is to save only the 3d data without the meshing of the NURBS models (exactly what the “Save small” command does), so this is why it’s considerably faster than the regular save. If you experience such massive delay in saving, I recommend you to use “Save small” as an alternative for the moment. One downside of “Save small” is that upon opening the file for the first time you will have to wait some time for Rhino to calculate the rendering mesh of all the models visible in the scene.

Slowdowns in saving models usually happen when the file contains materials with embedded textures.

Another problem is caused sometimes when certain objects have applied custom render mesh.

wim · August 24, 2019, 7:48pm

Hi - one hour for 1 GB doesn’t sound right, no.

What does “new environment” mean?
Could you run the Audit command and post the result here?
-wim

mikity_kogekoge · August 24, 2019, 8:20pm

HI, I’m already using SaveSmall (and assigned it to Ctrl-S) and this slowing down issue occur still.

mikity_kogekoge · August 24, 2019, 8:30pm

“new environment” meant I moved to a new office and got a new machine.

Audit Result.

Document Manifest:
Texture Mapping: 0 active, 1 system.
RenderMaterial[90] name missing from document manifest.
Material: Error: differences between model table[90] and manifest information.
Material: Error: 1 errors found. Model: 93 active, 0 deleted. Manifest: 94 active, 0 deleted.
Line Pattern: 6 active, 3 system.
Layer: 35 active, 58 deleted, 1 system.
Group: none.
TextStyle: none.
Annotation Style: 1 active, 7 system.
Light: none.
Hatch Pattern: 1 active, 9 system.
Block: none.
Model Geometry: 29334 active, 29310 deleted.

Error: 58838 model components (29368 deleted). 23 system components. 58862 manifest items

Audit Summary:
0 object errors detected.
0 linetype table errors detected.
0 layer table errors detected.
0 block table errors detected.
0 font table errors detected.
0 annotation style table errors detected.
Table tally:
35 layers
1 annotation styles
0 fonts
6 linetypes
94 rendering materials
Object tally:
29334 normal objects
0 locked objects
0 hidden objects
29310 deleted objects (in undo buffer)
0 block definition objects
0 reference normal objects
0 reference locked objects
0 reference hidden objects
0 reference block definition objects
Audit found problems.

pascal · August 25, 2019, 1:12am

Hello - Autosave saves to the autosave folder, which is typically on the local hard drive - is the regular Save (i.e. file location) on a network drive?

-Pascal

mikity_kogekoge · August 25, 2019, 3:17am

No, I tried saving to the AutoSave folder, a lot slower than when saved via “AutoSave”…

mikity_kogekoge · August 25, 2019, 3:23am

Also I tested place the AutoSave folder to my Portable HDD, and to my desktop. Same.

pascal · August 25, 2019, 3:25am

Hello - can you please run a second audit command, Audit3dmFile and post the results?

-Pascal

mikity_kogekoge · August 25, 2019, 4:04am

Testing 3dm Archive: *****
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pascal · August 25, 2019, 4:20am

Hello -this is what jumps to my eye -

&

Can you try disabling both of those in Options > Plug-ins page and then restart Rhino
Does that make any difference?

-Pascal