Dimensions / text oddities

Rhino Rhino for Windows
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This is on 8.20.25133.14001, 2025-05-13 I’m seeing dimensions, leaders, and text behaving oddly after double clicking into and out of a detail.

In a new file, create some geometry in model space, switch to layout, create a detail, double click into the detail, then double click back out. Over here, I now cannot place text or a leader (it will let me start, but when I hit Enter, the leader / text disappears). I can also no longer double click to edit dimensions (double clicking text to edit seems to work however).

Thanks,
Sam

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hi @SamPage I could not reproduce with the instructions given.
pls run _SystemInfo and post back the results

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Hi @Gijs OK, that was a terrible report on my part (end of day, and I thought I had the trigger, but wasn’t even close). Doesn’t matter what space, model or layout, details don’t have anything to do with it, just try placing more than 16 leaders. Over here it will fail on attempt 17. Systeminfo below.

Thanks,
Sam

Rhino 8 SR20 2025-5-13 (Rhino 8, 8.20.25133.14001, Git hash:master @ 007e608777fd819d8976799b8426698dff88c962)
License type: Commercial, build 2025-05-13
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 11 (10.0.22621 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 64GB)
.NET 8.0.15

Computer platform: DESKTOP

Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 (NVidia) Memory: 8GB, Driver date: 5-14-2025 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 576.52
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #0
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #1

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
GPU Tessellation is: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 5-14-2025
Driver Version: 32.0.15.7652
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 8 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\ProgramData\McNeel\Rhinoceros\8.0\Plug-ins\Datasmith Rhino Exporter (d1fdc795-b334-4933-b680-088119cdc6bb)\DatasmithRhino8.rhp “Datasmith Exporter” 5.5.1.0
C:\Program Files\Bongo 2.0 (64-bit)\Rhino6\Bongo.20.rhp “Bongo 2.0”
C:\Users\Samuel\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\8.0\SubstanceImporter\2.0.7\Substance.Win.rhp “SubstanceImporter” 2.0.7.0

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoScript.rhp “RhinoScript”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoBonusTools.rhp “Rhino Bonus Tools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Users\Samuel\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\8.0\PanelingTools\2024.8.20.677\PanelingTools.rhp “PanelingTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\IronPython\RhinoDLR_Python.rhp “IronPython” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

4

In the meantime, is there a way to roll back to 8.19? When I download it, the installer says I already have a newer version installed.

Thanks,
Sam

5

I am having a similar problem where additional leaders aren’t able to be created.

System Info

Rhino 8 SR20 2025-5-13 (Rhino 8, 8.20.25133.14001, Git hash:master @ 007e608777fd819d8976799b8426698dff88c962)
License type: Commercial, build 2025-05-13
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 10 (10.0.19043 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 32GB)
.NET 8.0.16

Computer platform: DESKTOP

Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (NVidia) Memory: 6GB, Driver date: 4-12-2025 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 576.02
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #0
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #1

Secondary graphics devices.
Intel(R) UHD Graphics 630 (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 6-1-2021 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 3 adapter port(s)
- There are no monitors attached to this device!

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
GPU Tessellation is: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 4-12-2025
Driver Version: 32.0.15.7602
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 6 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SolidTools.rhp “SolidTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoBonusTools.rhp “Rhino Bonus Tools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoLabsTools.rhp “Rhino Labs Tools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Users\ssommerville\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\8.0\PanelingTools\2024.8.20.677\PanelingTools.rhp “PanelingTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\IronPython\RhinoDLR_Python.rhp “IronPython” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Grasshopper\GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\export_PDF.rhp “PDF Export” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\BlockEdit.rhp “BlockEdit” 8.20.25133.14001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

As the file I’m working on is proprietary, I’ll send it to tech@mcneel.com and link to this thread.

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Hi Sam,

We can duplicate the issue and will get it logged.

@ssommerv Thanks for emailing the file to support.
We will look at it soon.

Sincerely,
Mary Ann Fugier

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Hi,
While we’re figuring this out, a workaround is to run the -Leader command instead of Leader.

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8

Hi Sam -

You’d need to uninstall 8,20 and then install 8.19.
But, perhaps with the -Leader work-around you can stay on 8.20…
-wim

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There is something seriously wrong, in one file, I could still create leaders because there were less than 16 of them, but I couldn’t change the arrow type of leaders nor dimensions. I then tried to copy all dims and leaders from that file into a new file and when I tried to change arrow of a leader to a user defined block, Rhino straight up crashed. I can’t replicate it now because the conditions for that seem to be very particular but I sent a crash report when it happened with the file attached.

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Hi Simon -

Yes.
This issue was put on the list as RH-87550 [Crash creating 17th leader] (not sure why it was not set to be visible to the public).
This has since been fixed and the next 8.20 candidate will contain that fix. For now, you should probably revert to 8.19.
-wim

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RH-87550 is fixed in Rhino 8 Service Release 20

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