Crash with duplicating Layouts

Rhino Rhino for Windows
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Just recently my Rhino-Layout is buggy and crashes, if i duplicate my layoutpages.

That didnt happen the last 2 years i did that weekly. I guess something changed the last updates or my computesetup. but i doubt that.

Anyone else with similar Problems?

Sometimes i try duplicating, it creates a new page and duplicates only some imtes to the new layout other get duplicated in place.

Sometimes the Layout-Items get copied to the model space.

Somtimes it just crashes…

Rhino 8 SR19 2025-5-7 (Rhino 8, 8.19.25127.17001, Git hash:master @ 18eae9fe38119e6822627747ba212462ce1a183f)
License type: Educational, build 2025-05-07
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 10 (10.0.19045 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 64GB)
.NET 7.0.0

Computer platform: DESKTOP

Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 (NVidia) Memory: 10GB, Driver date: 2-25-2025 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 572.60
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port 0
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port 1

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
GPU Tessellation is: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 8x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 2-25-2025
Driver Version: 32.0.15.7260
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 10 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Users\Milan\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\8.0\Plug-ins\Speckle.Connectors.Rhino8 (2153799A-0CEC-40DE-BC3A-01E5055222FF)\Speckle.Connectors.Rhino8.rhp “Speckle (Beta)” 3.2.0.0
C:\Users\Milan\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\BlockEditNew\BlockEditNew_V8.rhp “BlockEdit” 1.0.0.0
C:\Users\Milan\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\8.0\Plug-ins\D5LiveSync (e0d5e210-02f6-4ee9-a2b0-1675e225d958)\D5Conv.rhp “D5 Live Sync for Rhino”

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.19.25127.17001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoBonusTools.rhp “Rhino Bonus Tools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\IdleProcessor.rhp “IdleProcessor”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.19.25127.17001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.19.25127.17001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.19.25127.17001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.19.25127.17001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Grasshopper\GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 8.19.25127.17001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.19.25127.17001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedPositions.rhp “Named Position”

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Hi @mi.land,

I am not seeing any crash dumps submitted with your email address. When Rhino crashes, are you submitting crash reports?

– Dale

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Well, actually i don’t know. It doesnt asks me if i want to send it.

Even if it doesn’t crash. Still pain to work with Layouts…
Did something change in the managment of layouts the last 2-3 weeks ?

Right now i waited 3min for it to duplicate

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Can you provide us steps to duplicate? Does this happen on a new model?

Thanks,

– Dale

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RhinoDotNetCrash.txt (3.3 KB)
Found this on the Desktop

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Hi @mi.land,

I see this:

 Python.Runtime.PythonException: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'Enabled'
  File "file:///C:/Users/Milan/.rhinocode/stage/zyaqk1nc.cjc", line 1873, in OnFormClosed   at Python.Runtime.PythonException.ThrowLastAsClrException()

Are you running a Python script when Rhino crashes?

Again - Can you provide us steps to duplicate? Does this happen on a new model?

Thanks,

– Dale

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Dont have time right now, as soon as i find some i will try.

1 Like
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I only run a python script for Leader with object name.
And byGadget stuff.

Alright i found some time to test, on my Laptop with win11 it works.

Rhino is set up almost the same. I believe…
I need to investigate if the problem is my Desktop-Computer or the Rhino setups on it.

Thanks for your time and help @dale , maybe you find a difference in the system information.

Rhino 8 SR19 2025-5-12 (Rhino 8, 8.19.25132.01001, Git hash:master @ 57e3eb280b0f32cbe59f53a554be5e8ffa66fc36)
License type: Educational, build 2025-05-12
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 11 (10.0.26100 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 31GB)
.NET 7.0.0

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [76% battery remaining]

Hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display: AMD Radeon™ 890M Graphics (AMD) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 1-16-2025 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 5 adapter port(s)
- Secondary monitor is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #1
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #2
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Laptop GPU (NVidia) Memory: 8GB, Driver date: 10-20-2024 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 566.07
> Integrated accelerated graphics device with 1 adapter port(s)
- Video pass-through to primary display device

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
GPU Tessellation is: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 8x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 10-20-2024
Driver Version: 32.0.15.6607
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 8188 MB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Users\info\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\8.0\Plug-ins\Speckle.Connectors.Rhino8 (2153799A-0CEC-40DE-BC3A-01E5055222FF)\Speckle.Connectors.Rhino8.rhp “Speckle (Beta)” 3.2.0.0
C:\Users\info\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\BlockEditNew\BlockEditNew_V8.rhp “BlockEdit” 1.0.0.0
C:\Users\info\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\8.0\byRhinoGadget\1.4.5\byRhinoGadgetPlus.rhp “byRhinoGadgetPlus” 0.0.0.0

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.19.25132.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\WebBrowser.rhp “WebBrowser”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoScript.rhp “RhinoScript”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoBonusTools.rhp “Rhino Bonus Tools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\IdleProcessor.rhp “IdleProcessor”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.19.25132.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.19.25132.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.19.25132.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\IronPython\RhinoDLR_Python.rhp “IronPython” 8.19.25132.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.19.25132.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Grasshopper\GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 8.19.25132.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.19.25132.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.19.25132.1001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedPositions.rhp “Named Position”