Change order or hatches

Hi there. For some mysterious reason the hatches in our template file have switched their order and now Single is above Solid, which is really annoying because people end up creating really dense single hatches instead of solid because they look the same. Is there a way to change to order of the hatch pattern options?

This might be related to VisualARQ’s templates actually, @fsalla is there any reason for this reorder?

Hello - please run SystemInfo in Rhino and copy/paste the results here - it looks to me like maybe you have an older version of Rhino. Maybe just Help > Check for updates will be enough to sort it out.

-Pascal

I don’t think so, I always update my Rhino and this issue is only on a few template files(the ones based on VisualARQ templates), namely those based on the VisualARQ files. And I see this on all of the computers at the office.

SystemInfo

Rhino 7 SR10 2021-9-13 (Rhino 7, 7.10.21256.17001, Git hash:master @ 68677dc86520a0de9485d8b8fa2e841e757733f3)
License type: Commercial, build 2021-09-13
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 10.0.19042 SR0.0 or greater (Physical RAM: 32Gb)

Computer platform: DESKTOP

Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 (NVidia) Memory: 8GB, Driver date: 9-13-2021 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 472.12
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #0
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #1

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 9-13-2021
Driver Version: 30.0.14.7212
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 8 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\6.0\Plug-ins\ColorPicker (336da4ab-03d3-42ca-b1fb-313bfd4c1157)\2019.2.15.811\ColorPicker.rhp “ColorPicker”
C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\7.0\Plug-ins\ClippingBox (4dfff1df-5f09-43ae-a044-77b115244b02)\1.0.0.0\Rhino 6\ClippingBox.rhp “ClippingBox” 1.0.0.0
C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\Grasshopper\Libraries\elefront421\ElefrontProperties.rhp “ElefrontProperties” 1.0.0.0
C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\7.0\Plug-ins\SpeckleRhino2 (8dd5f30b-a13d-4a24-abdc-3e05c8c87143)\SpeckleConnectorRhino.rhp “ConnectorRhino7” 2.2.2.7060
C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Programs\Enscape\Bin64\Enscape.Rhino7.Plugin.dll “Enscape.Rhino7.Plugin” 0.0.21250.810
C:\Program Files\Common Files\McNeel\Rhinoceros\7.0\Plug-ins\ConnecterPlugIn (caac53be-e271-4b97-93e7-f3dd18d48ccc)\0.5.0.0\ConnecterPlugIn.rhp “ConnecterPlugIn” 0.5.0.0
C:\ProgramData\McNeel\Rhinoceros\7.0\Plug-ins\Twinmotion Direct Link 2020.2 (e24ee14a-9514-47da-8fe6-f6e61b20160e)\Twinmotion Direct Link 2020.rhp “Twinmotion Direct Link 2020” 1.0.6.0
C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\packages\7.0\NVIDIADenoiser\0.4.0\NVIDIADenoiser.Windows.rhp “NVIDIADenoiser.Windows” 0.4.0.0

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 7.10.21256.17001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\RhinoScript.rhp “RhinoScript”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 7.10.21256.17001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 7.10.21256.17001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\rdk_ui.rhp “Renderer Development Kit UI”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 7.10.21256.17001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 7.10.21256.17001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”

@rheinason, In VisualARQ templates the order of hatches is different than in Rhino templates because this is how they were created initially. Perhaps that’s the order they were created in the Rhino 4 version, and it remained like this until now. But I’m not sure.

However, I don’t understand why this is a big deal though. I don’t get the point why someone would use a dense Single hatch instead of a Solid one, since one appears almost following the other in the list.
Having some sorting feature of that hatches list is something McNeel might address, but anyway, you can solve this by deleting the hatch patterns from the Rhino Document Properties, and importing those from a Rhino template, if that order suits you. Then you can override that file on your VisualARQ template.

This is a big deal because the most common usage (in our case) of a hatch is the solid hatch, and the preview of a dense single line hatch looks identical to the solid one, which makes it super easy to accidentally make a single line hatch instead of a solid hatch if you’re not careful. Of course this is more a papercut than anything else, but it’s still an issue we have. In regards to deleting the single line hatches, it doesn’t seem to be possible, perhaps because the single line hatches are assigned to some VisualARQ styles? I’m able to delete double, but not single:

Do you mean in the Hatch Dialog? (at least in your screenshot of the Document Properties they look very different). If you mean in the model space, then you need to change the Single hatch scale.

I ignore why some hatches can be deleted and others can’t.

Yes in model space, and the issue is when someone isn’t careful and thinks it’s a solid hatch, when it’s actually a single line hatch with a small scale. It’s a really easy mistake to do:

Changing the single hatch scale is not possible per se. Hatch Scale is a per session (don’t know if that’s the right word for that) value, which means it resets to a scale of 1 and the topmost hatch, which in this case is single, every time you open rhino .

Hi Roi,
In the Hatch dialog, it is quite clear which pattern you are selecting. In the model space, it is confusing indeed, if the pattern scale is very dense. But this is going to happen with any other pattern, not just with the Single. If you zoom out and add a hatch pattern to a close curve, all of them will look like Solid. IMHO I don’t think the preview must show you something different. I think it’s just a matter to be careful in the pattern you chose.