AUTOSAVE is Useless

FYI, on Rhino 8.15.25019.13001, 2025-01-19, I am still getting regular crashes, mostly upon the application of materials (maybe PBR?).

Most of my crashes happen without any autosave happening. The last time it seemed to work was in June 2024. Even then, it was really random at what points it would work (I got 5 files in total for the entire year :D).

I am trying my hardest to keep saving regularly, but sometimes I get a good workflow going, and then Rhino dies.

EDIT: I know it is about “reproducible examples”, but at the moment I am getting little time to try and keep debugging Rhino. This is really just a shout-out to any other users that still suffer this problem.

hey David, lets try and sort our your crashes…Rhino should not be that unstable for you.

will you email tech@mcneel.com with the report generated from running the systeminfo command in rhino.

that will help us see if there are any hardware or plugin issues that may be causing this instability.

TODAY THIS HAPPENED AGAIN.

I’m sorry to say but this thing with Rhino Autosave is so frustratiing.

Yesterday after working on something for several hours and finally having solved it i forgot to save. And the stupid Windows OS restarted the computer due to updates.

So I look in my special Rhino Autosave folder to get my file back.

AND THERE IS NO FILE THERE.

I can’t see any Autosave files there after Feb. 25th 2025. But I have been working with Rhino almost every day.

Seriously, YOU NEED TO FIX AUTOSAVE.

This is much more important than anything else.

I have lost som many hours of work because of this. So many times during all the years I’ve been using the software. And STILL it does not work as expected.

THANKS

Simple solution would be just NOT to auto-delete the older backups after saving, right?

check recycle bin, many a lost file found in there, especially Rhino autosaves :blush:

Sorry, I don’t use the Recycle bin at all, so they can’t be there.

/Erik

if you are using a windows platform, you have a recycle bin, just because you don’t use it your windows system does, if you really really want your file its definitely worth checking the bin

Are you talking about “trash”?

Edit: Oops. I got confused with Mac.

yeh mostly a Mac user myself, whatever the trash/bin thing is called on Windows :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

I just checked. It is indeed labelled “recycle”.

Ok, the files were actually found in the Recycle bin.

Why on earth do they end up there ?

/Erik

Why not keep 5 versions or a specified number of versions in the autosave folder, instead of none ever being in the autosave folder when you need them, and several being in your recycling bin? However autosave is working, if it is working, is not good. Also it doesn’t appear to work if you have more than one file open at a time, and it doesn’t ever offer to recover your file after a crash anymore.

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short version of the story…
autosave, is not technically auto save, it’s a temp file that gets held in the %appdata% location that if windows crashes or something happens AND rhino can catch it before it goes down completely, that temp file can be restored.

if you close rhino normally, that temp file gets moved to the trash, recycling bin, whatever you want to call it.

Pre v6 it used to simply delete the file and you were hosed, the reason was to keep large files from autosaving many versions and filling up your hard drive since no one manages these things themselves.

Now it dumps them in the trash, and allows you to recover them manually (drag back to the desktop) or simply empty your trash and go on with your day.

if you do not empty your trash occasionally, I’d be there are tons and tons of files that take up space that you should get rid of.

Is it a good system?

IMO no, it sucks.

is it better than it used to be? yes.

Should you rely on it for mission critical parts instead of actually saving regularly? Oh for the love of God no.

Have I had it save my bacon on several occasions because I didn’t do the above? yep.

hope that helps.

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It’s frustrating. I wish it was a reliable and clear system. It takes quite a lot of cumulative time to constantly autosave big files, and you would like to think those autosaves are actually going to be there when you need them.

Then why calling it autosave?