More fluff…
I’m amazed by the sheer amount of people who were enjoying various perfect CAD programs and then suddenly decided to agonize with Rhino. 
Just a portion of my reasons to LOVE Rhino:
What is agonizing is to see such a great tool neglected by their developers.
You’re not fair and this is a shame because all we complain about improvement on Fillets but we try to do it in a constructive way.
Read Gustavo’s posts and you can get how direct and hard he is but remaining respectful.
Menno is doing a great job imo.
What you call Fluff is probably a desired feature from almost the 20% of Rhino users (architects).
The same 20% that probably don’t care about good fillet. 
Many people who have switched from other CAD programs to Rhino tend to follow the same slightly salty behaviour. They only complain about Rhino’s fillets while praise the fillets of Solidworks, Catia, Fusion360, Plasticity etc (all using the Parasolid kernel).
However, they hide one very important truth: They actually very much dislike nearly every other aspect of those other CAD programs (except for the fillets). This is why they are so vocal about the fillets in Rhino. They simply struggle in the other CAD programs, because:
a) … they are more difficult to achieve various shapes;
b) … they require annual payments;
c) … both reasons.
Thank you for pointing that out.
Clearly the developers were completely unaware of the issue until now, and I’m sure approaching it this way will immediately move it to the top of the priority list.
After all, developers always love that tone and approach.
Forums definitely benefit from this kind of constructive contribution.
Do I detect irony ?
Listen guys, it’s just disheartening to see that Rhino lags so much in basic modeling and drafting features that have been around for so long, while being so packed with good stuff.
In V9, for example, we are still stuck with the archaïc and buggy “Make 2D” when associative drafting is present even in some free software !
Fondle the devs all you want, but this is just stupid and probably suicidal in the long run.
Yes, you did.
A forum is useful for:
- asking questions and getting information
- providing information such as tutorials, techniques, or bug reports
- and especially helping future visitors learn from previous discussions
Posts that are just aggressive toward developers achieve none of those goals and mostly add noise to the forum.
Developers! Developers! Developers!
Did you write the definition of “Forum” in Wikipedia, or what ?
OK, now that the behavior police had ample time to do it’s virtue signaling, I’d like to know if anyone here has got a clue as to why McNeel, in 2026, still can’t pull off proper, industry standard :
-Fillets
-Associative drawings
-Sketch constraints
-Mesh booleans
Now I must admit that the new patch tool is a real plus in V9. For a NURBS modeler, it should have been there for decades, but hey, at least you can tick this box I guess.
This is the Pro version with extra tools and features:
I think you should switch to Plasticity it has all the features you .. ehm, I’m saying you should switch to Solidworks… Ehm, Inventor… No Catia…I want to say blender…
Whatever software you look at none has all the features you dream of.
Are you writing to all the developers in the same rough way?
If no, why?
Being serious I won’t be polemical but being aggressive entering into a new family isn’t the best passport
Rhino 9 WIP has some massively important enhancements over Rhino 8:
- New, much better “Patch” tool (not on the level of Xnurbs, for now);
- “Blend surface” now produces cleaner surfaces with less spans;
- Weighted control points are marked as diamonds (these are the main reason for bad surfacing and surface matching);
- New “Rebuild curve” (Elmo) tool for much cleaner curves;
- Static Zebra analysis;
- Improved fillets, including using simplified revolved surfaces (not on the level ot Parasolid, but still much better than before);
- Improved “Clipping planes”;
- Improved Gumball with ability to move the control points along the control polygon, as well as “Extend mode” for the “Rotate” handles;
- “Edge surface” now always creates a 4-sided surface even from 3 input curves/edges;
- UV indicators on the surfaces while running certain commands;
- Plus many others, but the above list includes what’s important for my workflow.
I tried that one all right. Rhino crashed.
@gijs or @menno
please close this topic.
(you might reopen it, if the initial challenge is solved by some updated algorithm)
to Summarize:
- the initial challenge was posted
Jun 14, 2022 12:52 PM
i showed a workaround atpost#5 Jun 15, 2022 12:08 AM - this forum is a great place and i think most users appreciate that we can be in direct contact with the developers.
- the discussions shows the emotional aspects of a fantastic tool like rhino disappoints some users at certain aspects where other software show more advanced tools.
- the discussion finally lost its technical focus and does not add any further value to this topic / forum. it s a waste of time to read or answer some of the posts of the last 16h.
thanks for closing the topic. - or delete my post.
cheers - tom