Rhino 8 crashes when starting Grasshopper

Rhino
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Hello,

so I just recently updated to Rhino8 to use it on my work laptop. However, two days while using it my Windows always crashed to a bluescreen. Stopped using Rhino8 and the bluescreens disapear.
Now I installed it on my desktop PC to explore further and it immideatly crashes if I open Grasshopper. No crashlog, no nothing. Just disapears as soon as GH is loaded.

SR 4 and a clean install, only added my aliases.

Here is my sysinfo, I will post the one from my Laptop as I get around:

Rhino 8 SR4 2024-2-13 (Rhino 8, 8.4.24044.15001, Git hash:master @ 5d3f86ffffae3c2ed84d21147c008b3907a40a2e)
License type: Studentenlizenz, build 2024-02-13
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 10 (10.0.19045 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 16GB)
.NET 7.0.0

Computer platform: DESKTOP

Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 12-6-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 546.33
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port 0

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 12-6-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.15.4633
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 4 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

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Rhino needs drivers from this year. At the moment the latest driver for your GPU is: https://www.nvidia.co.uk/Download/driverResults.aspx/221007/en-us

When you start the installer make sure you go for the custom/advanced install type and check the Clean Installation checkbox.

Other than that makes sure all Windows updates have been applied.

Also, you could try updating to the Rhino 8.5 Service Release Candidate (it is quite safe to do at this moment, it will likely move to Service Release tomorrow). You can do this by going to Tools > Options > Updates and Statistics and change update frequency to Service Release Candidate. After that click the Check Now… link, download and install 8.5.

Let me know if that worked better for you.

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Hi @nathanletwory,

thank you for your reply. I updated my driver to 551.76 (did the same for the laptop) but 8.4. kept crashing. I updated to RC 8.5 but it did not solve it.

The laptop in turn showed new buggy behaviour where plug-in panels will stay after closing, just grayed out. I’ll upload videos of both instances tomorrow.

Again, sysinfo:

Rhino 8 SR4 2024-2-13 (Rhino 8, 8.4.24044.15001, Git hash:master @ 5d3f86ffffae3c2ed84d21147c008b3907a40a2e)
License type: Studentenlizenz, build 2024-02-13
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 10 (10.0.19045 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 16GB)
.NET 7.0.0

Computer platform: DESKTOP

Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 3-1-2024 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 551.76
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #0

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 3-1-2024
Driver Version: 31.0.15.5176
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 4 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

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Is your Windows still bluescreening due to Rhino?

On both machines it is probably a good idea to run the Rhino command _Reset and choose to go to factory default settings, then restart Rhino.

Rhino 8.5 is now the latest service release, btw.

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I only started R8 on the laptop after I finished my workday, can’t really afford to let R8 run and see if it crashes my system at one point.
As hinted before, I encountered a new bug, Video uploaded. This changed after updating the driver and is persistent after restarting Rhino. I’m trying out RhinoCAM 2022 in this case, and if I close Rhino with the RC2022 Panels open, after restarting R8 the panels are greyed out as seen in the video.

Systeminfo for the laptop, Updated to 8.5 and used “_reset” but the bugs still exist. Video uploaded (although recorded in 8.4) is showing the behaviour.

Rhino 8 SR5 2024-3-12 (Rhino 8, 8.5.24072.13001, Git hash:master @ e3530849b75f00b2b977766a567ae29b055837e9)
License type: Studentenlizenz, build 2024-03-12
License details: Cloud Zoo

Windows 10 (10.0.19045 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 32GB)
.NET 7.0.1

Computer platform: LAPTOP - Plugged in [99% battery remaining]

Hybrid graphics configuration.
Primary display: Intel(R) UHD Graphics (Intel) Memory: 1GB, Driver date: 6-15-2023 (M-D-Y).
> Integrated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Secondary monitor is laptop’s integrated screen or built-in port
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #1
Primary OpenGL: NVIDIA RTX A2000 Laptop GPU (NVidia) Memory: 4GB, Driver date: 2-15-2024 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 551.61
> Integrated accelerated graphics device (shares primary device ports)
- Video pass-through to primary display device

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 2-15-2024
Driver Version: 31.0.15.5161
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 4 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
C:\Users\roger.loho\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\7.0\Plug-ins\TeDAsharp (ce983e9d-72de-4a79-8832-7c374e6e26de)\0.1.0.0\TeDaSharp_050.rhp “TeDAsharp” 0.1.0.0
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\RhinoCAM 2022 for R7\RhinoArt1FileExporter For Rhino7.0.rhp “RhinoArt1FileExporter”
C:\Users\roger.loho\AppData\Roaming\McNeel\Rhinoceros\7.0\Plug-ins\KeyShot11RhinoPlugin (55124e8a-aa81-4be8-8e12-9f452c473970)\2.0.0.0\KeyShot11RhinoPlugin\Rhino 7\KeyShot11RhinoPlugin.rhp “KeyShot11RhinoPlugin” 1.0.0.0
C:\Program Files\Rhino 7\Plug-ins\RhinoCAM 2022 for R7\RhinoCAM 2022 For Rhino7.0.rhp “RhinoCAM 2022 - The cutting edge CAM plug-in for Rhino 7.0 from MecSoft Corporation”

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.5.24072.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.5.24072.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.5.24072.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.5.24072.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.5.24072.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.5.24072.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.5.24072.13001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

6

Not seeing on their website if RhinoCam 7 needs to be in .NetFramework

Try it via Add command line argument /netfx** first, or remember to switch SetDotNetRuntime back after testing.

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I tried this and it did nothing. Reverting to .Net doesn’t make a difference. If I remember correctly, it was not like this before updating my video drivers.

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Hi Roger -

Did you use the “Clean install” option when updating those?
-wim

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Hi Wim,

did a clean install both times with the drivers and rhino. Nothing changed.

Here is the video of R8 crashing on my desktop

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Hi Roger -
I think it’d be good to keep the different behavior on the two different machines in different threads.

As for this one with Grasshopper, please use GrasshopperLoadOneByOne to see if you can isolate the plug-in that is bringing everything down.
-wim

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Hi Wim,

over the weekend I had the time to test it out and this helped with the issues of GH crashing. Bit weird that R8 checks a plug-in for compatilbity and then decides to crash without any traces.

I am currently trying out R8 on the work lapto with no issues regarding blue-screens, it’s just very slow and sluggish feeling, but I think thats a topic for another thread. Thank you guys for the help!