Mac Material Editing is Buggy

Just starting this topic to see if anyone else is experiencing a lot of crashes while making material adjustments to their models. I have frequent crashes only when working with materials, creating new materials, editing materials and applying materials and then attempting to make slight edits.

This is quite a pain, especially during what’s usually the really fun part of designing!

Setup - Macbook M3 Max + 64GB Ram
Current Rhino Build - Version 8 (8.13.24317.13002, 2024-11-12)

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When you get crashes, please send in the crash reports. I’m not seeing any from you related to you with the e-mail address you use on our forum.

Also, please run the Rhino command _SystemInfo and post the result in a reply.

I’ve also been having this issue. Generally rhino is pretty stable for me, except when using the materials panel. I’ve submitted a number of crash reports, which I think included the associated file. Cheers.

Rhino 8 SR13 2024-11-12 (Rhino 8, 8.13.24317.13002, Git hash:master @ ca3666c3ebed2b9567e10930077bfa0884f65db9)
License type: Educational, build 2024-11-12
License details: Cloud Zoo

Apple macOS Version 15.0.1 (Build 24A348) (Physical RAM: 32GB)
Mac Model Identifier: MacBookPro16,1
Language: en-AU (MacOS default)
.NET 7.0.0

Metal GPU Family Apple 0
Metal GPU Family Common 3
Metal GPU Family Mac 2
Graphics processors
Intel UHD Graphics 630 (1536 MB)
AMD Radeon Pro 5500M (8 GB)
Color LCD (1792 x 1120 @ 59.00Hz)
GPU Vendor: AMD

USB devices
Apple: composite_device
Apple Inc.: Touch Bar Backlight
Apple Inc.: Touch Bar Display
Apple Inc.: Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad
Apple: Headset
Apple Inc.: Ambient Light Sensor
Apple Inc.: FaceTime HD Camera (Built-in)
Apple Inc.: Apple T2 Controller

Bluetooth devices
None

Third party kernel extensions
com.intel.driver.EnergyDriver (3.6.1) CF3549FA-B79E-34E2-BF25-6C5FEF5EF262

Third party plugins
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCore.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftObjectiveC.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreFoundation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDarwin.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDispatch.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftIOKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSystem.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftXPC.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_Builtin_float.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_Concurrency.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_StringProcessing.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_errno.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_math.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_signal.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_stdio.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_time.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftos.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftsys_time.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftunistd.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDistributed.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMetal.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftOSLog.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftQuartzCore.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftUniformTypeIdentifiers.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftsimd.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftObservation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftRegexBuilder.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_RegexParser.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCryptoTokenKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftAVFoundation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreAudio.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreLocation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreMIDI.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreMedia.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreImage.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftAccelerate.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftFileProvider.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMLCompute.dylib
/usr/lib/usd/libusd_ms.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCompression.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftIntents.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSpatial.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSynchronization.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftNaturalLanguage.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftGameplayKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSpriteKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftWebKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDemangle.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftGLKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMetalKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftModelIO.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSceneKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftVideoToolbox.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMapKit.dylib
/Users/stuart.crake/Library/Application Support/McNeel/Rhinoceros/8.0/MacPlugIns/bella_rhino.rhp/libbella_dotnet_native.dylib
/usr/lib/log/liblog_network.dylib

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
/Users/stuart.crake/Library/Application Support/McNeel/Rhinoceros/8.0/MacPlugIns/bella_rhino.rhp “Bella” 24.2.0.0

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhMaterialEditor.framework “Renderer Development Kit” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Import_OBJ.rhp “Import_OBJ” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_XAML.rhp “export_xaml” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/QuadRemesh.rhp “QuadRemesh” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Export_OBJ.rhp “export_OBJ” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RDK_EtoUI.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Import_glTF.rhp “Import glTF” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/ShrinkWrap.rhp “ShrinkWrap” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_SVG.rhp “Export SVG” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Export_glTF.rhp “Export glTF” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Export_DAE.rhp “Export_DAE” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_PDF.rhp “PDF Export” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_IGES.rhp “IGES Export Plug-in” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Import_SVG.rhp “Import_SVG” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/BlockEdit.rhp “BlockEdit” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Export_AMF.rhp “Export_AMF” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/import_DST.rhp “Import_DST” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/export_PLY.rhp “PLY - Polygon File Format Export” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Import_AMF.rhp “Import_AMF” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_SKP.rhp “SketchUp Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_UDO.rhp “Moray Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_RAW.rhp “RAW Triangle Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_USD.rhp “Export USD” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Import_DGN.rhp “MicroStation file import: import_DGN” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_E57.rhp “E57 Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_VRML.rhp “VRML Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/AnimationTools.rhp “AnimationTools” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_modelio_macos.rhp “Model IO Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Import_WAMIT.rhp “WAMIT import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/NamedPositions.rhp “Named Position” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_SKP.rhp “SketchUp Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_RAW.rhp “Raw Triangles Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/MPlane.rhp “MPlane” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_XGL.rhp “XGL Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_CD.rhp “Cult3D Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_LWO.rhp “Lightwave Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_SLC.rhp “SLC Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_3MF.rhp “import_3MF” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_STEP.rhp “STEP Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_3MF.rhp “export_3MF” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_WAMIT.rhp “WAMIT Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Import_SLC.rhp “SLC Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Import_OFF.rhp “OFF Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Squish.rhp “Squish” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_X_T.rhp “Parasolid Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/RhinoBonusTools.rhp “Rhino Bonus Tools” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/RhinoLabsTools.rhp “Rhino Labs Tools” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Import_M.rhp “Import_M” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Import_X.rhp “X Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_IGES.rhp “IGES Import Plug-in” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_AI.rhp “Adobe Illustrator Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_ACAD.rhp “AutoCAD file export : export_ACAD” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Displacement.rhp “Displacement” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_LWO.rhp “Lightwave Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_SAT.rhp “ACIS Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_CSV.rhp “Comma Separated Value Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_PDF.rhp “PDFReader” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_STL.rhp “STL Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_VDA.rhp “VDA Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_STEP.rhp “STEP Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_FBX.rhp “Export_FBX” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Import_SolidWorks.rhp “Solidworks Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_STL.rhp “STL Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_RIB.rhp “Renderman Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_FBX.rhp “Import_FBX” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_Points.rhp “Points Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_VDA.rhp “VDA Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_ACAD.rhp “AutoCAD file import: import_ACAD” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_X.rhp “X Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/CreaseAngle.rhp “CreaseAngle” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_3DS.rhp “3D Studio Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_PLY.rhp “PLY - Polygon File Format Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/MeshTools.rhp “MeshTools” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_Points.rhp “Points Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/PanelingTools.rhp “PanelingTools” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/MeshFromPoints.rhp “MeshFromPoints” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_VRML.rhp “VRML/X3D Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Import_GTS.rhp “GTS Triangle Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/SolidTools.rhp “SolidTools” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_GTS.rhp “GTS Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Export_POV.rhp “POV-Ray Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoDLR_Python.rhp “IronPython” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 8.13.24317.13002

Hi Stuart -

I notice that you mention Bella in a few of those crash reports. Do you also get frequent crashes when that plug-in is disabled and Rhino restarted?

Also, your last crash report was from November 3rd on Rhino 8.12. Please keep sending in crash reports if those are still occuring in SR13!
-wim

Cheers, Wim.

I’ve unticked Bella in the plugin manager and will see how I go. I had another crash tonight, after updating to 8.13, but this was before disabling Bella.

The crashes are indeed in Bella code. CC @jdhill

Thanks Nathan. I’ve also flagged this on the Bella discord.

would it be possible for me to get access to any crash dump/info files?

replied in DM

Hey Nathan,
Thanks for the quick reply. I’ve probably sent 100 crash reports in the last 6 months, so interested to understand why you aren’t seeing them, I checked that the emails match - I have not included files in the crash reports, would that change if you get them or not?

System Info Results:

Rhino 8 SR13 2024-11-12 (Rhino 8, 8.13.24317.13002, Git hash:master @ ca3666c3ebed2b9567e10930077bfa0884f65db9)
License type: Commercial, build 2024-11-12
License details: Cloud Zoo

Apple macOS Version 15.0.1 (Build 24A348) (Physical RAM: 64GB)
Mac Model Identifier: Mac15,8
Language: en-US (MacOS default)
.NET 7.0.0

Metal GPU Family Apple 7
Metal GPU Family Common 3
Metal GPU Family Mac 2
Graphics processors
Apple M3 Max
Color LCD (1512 x 982 @ 120.00Hz)
DELL UP2516D (2560 x 1440 @ 60.00Hz)
GPU Vendor: Apple

USB devices
None

Bluetooth devices
None

Third party kernel extensions
None

Third party plugins
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCore.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftObjectiveC.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreFoundation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDarwin.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDispatch.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftIOKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSystem.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftXPC.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_Builtin_float.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_Concurrency.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_StringProcessing.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_errno.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_math.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_signal.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_stdio.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_time.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftos.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftsys_time.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftunistd.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDistributed.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMetal.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftOSLog.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftQuartzCore.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftUniformTypeIdentifiers.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftsimd.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftObservation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftRegexBuilder.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswift_RegexParser.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCryptoTokenKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftAVFoundation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreAudio.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreLocation.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreMIDI.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreMedia.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCoreImage.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftAccelerate.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftFileProvider.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMLCompute.dylib
/Library/Frameworks/3DconnexionClient.framework/Versions/A/3DconnexionClient
/usr/lib/usd/libusd_ms.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftCompression.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftIntents.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSpatial.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSynchronization.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftNaturalLanguage.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftGameplayKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSpriteKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftWebKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftDemangle.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftGLKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMetalKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftModelIO.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftSceneKit.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftVideoToolbox.dylib
/usr/lib/swift/libswiftMapKit.dylib
/Users/jmiller/Library/Application Support/McNeel/Rhinoceros/packages/8.0/keyshot_studio/1.6.12/libsceneapi_wrapper_rhino.dylib
/Users/jmiller/Library/Application Support/McNeel/Rhinoceros/8.0/MacPlugIns/bella_rhino.rhp/libbella_dotnet_native.dylib
/Users/jmiller/Library/Application Support/McNeel/Rhinoceros/8.0/MacPlugIns/KeyShotRhinoPlugin.rhp/libsceneapi_wrapper_rhino.dylib
/usr/lib/log/liblog_network.dylib

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino
/Users/jmiller/Library/Application Support/McNeel/Rhinoceros/8.0/MacPlugIns/bella_rhino.rhp “Bella” 24.2.0.0
/Users/jmiller/Library/Application Support/McNeel/Rhinoceros/8.0/MacPlugIns/KeyShotRhinoPlugin.rhp “KeyShotRhinoPlugin” 1.0.0.0

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhMaterialEditor.framework “Renderer Development Kit” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/QuadRemesh.rhp “QuadRemesh” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RDK_EtoUI.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/AnimationTools.rhp “AnimationTools” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/RhinoRender.rhp “Legacy Rhino Render” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/RhinoLabsTools.rhp “Rhino Labs Tools” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Displacement.rhp “Displacement” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/export_STL.rhp “STL Export” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/import_STEP.rhp “STEP Import” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/PanelingTools.rhp “PanelingTools” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/SolidTools.rhp “SolidTools” 8.13.24317.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoDLR_Python.rhp “IronPython” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 8.13.24317.13002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.13.24317.13002

This is good - I’m also using Bella, so at least it’s coming from the same source.
I will say, Bella is pretty awesome, built in experience is the best of all the rendering plugins I’ve used. Glad to see you already on it @jdhill
Thanks for adding your experience to quickly find the source @stuart.crake

Teamwork makes the dreamwork!

I believe Stuart’s issue is specific to intel mac, but you are running natively on an m3, so I would like to get a sample crash report to see what is going on, whether you want to copy the text and private message it to me when a crash occurs, or if someone from mcneel could forward me a crash report that shows any issue in bella

@Float I guess you are using a different email when sending in the crash reports. I see some with one that resembles your name.

I believe we have sent at least one to @jdhill already.

Hi Float -

Including the file should not influence crash reports from being found.
From your statement, it sounds like it’s somewhat easy for you to crash Rhino. Please PM (or upload and include a link to this topic) me a screenshot of the crash reporter when you crash Rhino next time. Also, if you have a simple step-by-step workflow that crashes Rhino, please let us know.

We don’t have very many Bella crashes at this point…
-wim

You’re welcome, @Float. As Jeremy says, my laptop is a 2019 i9 MBP, so fairly underpowered. Jeremy suggested I turn off the realtime previews and sliders to increase responsiveness and this worked for me.