Circular patterns

Can someone help me create a good definition to create this logo? How to move an object with different distances? how to copy something with different distances also?
if i have small circles arranged on the circumference of a big circle, how to expand with those small circles around the big circle ?

Thank you in advance !

There is something to play with, requires Lunchbox. (8.8 KB)

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You can also use divide and arc, and i remember something like that with Paneling tools (16.5 KB)

with paneling tools

thank u so much for ur help, can’t thank u enough

And for the record
Phyllotaxis from circle of circles

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