# The use of Noncubics

I was watching a non-McNeil tutorial on Rhino in which the speaker used 5th order spines. The speaker gave no reason for doing this.

Obviously a higher order than 3 needs more control points and more variables to solve for.

When are higher order splines appropriate or not appropriate?

If you would give us a link to that ātutorialā it would be helpful.

The main reason is that different order curves behave differently when control points are moved. Moving a control point on a higher order curve affects more of the curve than moving a point on a lower order curve. Thus using lower order curves itās easier to create more ālocalā curvature variances, while higher order curves have a tendency to stay āsmootherā. (thatās really a nutshell explanation)

āAppropriateā curve degree will depend on the user and the form to be generatedā¦ Thereās no general rule.

āMitch

Well, they most likely meant degree 5 and not 5th order, is my guess. Just to tag on to Mitchās comments, degree 5 curves are nice and smooth internally, and still tractable when point editing- but, one additional reason for degree 5 is that the minimum number of points in a degree 5 curve or surface is 6 - which means that on one of these single span curves, you can set and maintain curvature at each end of the curve (uses 3 points) without affecting the curvature at the other end.
Degree 3, also common, are similarly useful with a four-point minimum, for establishing tangency at each end independently.

Iām told by the bigger brains that odd-degree curves are mathematically more well behaved than even-degree ones, but in practice, I donāt know that it makes a lot of difference.

-Pascal

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I was working on a set of surfaces that was causing problems and posted in another topic.

One of the problems I have is getting the surfaces to have a smooth transition.

Here I have a set of surfaces. The gray surfaces are fixed and I am trying to fill in the oddly shaped red area. I need to be tangent to the gray at the right but just coincident to the one at the top.

The red surfaces are created with Networksrf with the edges tangent.

Here I have done fitsrf with degree 3. You can see a noticeable crease at where the top and right red surfaces meet.

Here, I have done fitsrf but with degree 7. Notice that the crease has gone away.

As you one would expect, it takes a lot longer to do fitsrf on a 7, 9, 11 degree surface than a 3rd degree surfaceāmuch larger matrices that have to be inverted.