Hi @eirannejad, Congrats on the progress of the Rhino 8 Grasshopper Script Editor. It looks a lot sharper than last time I had a go. That said, I do find there are design issues where the current GHPython editor shines brighter. Notably: 1: Wasted Screen Space + Visually Busy/Cluttered With the same window and output/terminal size, there is substantially less space for the actual code editor: [2023-08-01 11_04_12-Grasshopper - unnamed] This might be improved by making these two menus hideable/toggleable: [2023-08-01 11_05_20-Grasshopper Python Script Editor] And by getting rid of this tab bar, which I don’t think currently have functionality (does it?): [2023-08-01 11_06_43-Grasshopper Python Script Editor] And by moving this information/buttons down to the bottom menu bar: [2023-08-01 11_29_01-Grasshopper Python Script Editor] 2: Clunky/Wasteful Language Indicator: As mentioned elsewhere, this language indicator is pretty clunky/wasteful. The information is also provided two places inside the editor and may be provided on the component itself by swapping out the icon to respectively the C#, CPython and IronPython logos upon language selection: [2023-08-01 11_39_27-Grasshopper - unnamed] 3: Keyboard Shortcuts I understand that there is new functionality planned (e.g. debugging). But changing the 10+ year old Test shortcut (i.e. F5) is pretty jarring. Perhaps consider making Run F5 and Continue F6: [2023-08-01 11_09_09-Grasshopper Python Script Editor] [2023-08-01 11_08_56-] 4: Syntax Highlighting There are quite a few issues here, I assume these are just the result of whatever the new editor is built upon. But anywho here are a couple of the ones that immediately sprang to mind for me: [2023-08-01 11_14_51-Grasshopper Python Script Editor] 5: Duplicate Highlighting The new duplicate highlighting is less legible and does not highlight spaces: [2023-08-01 11_33_57-Grasshopper Python Script Editor] [2023-08-01 11_35_49-Grasshopper Python Script Editor] 6: Font Sizing Using Mouse Wheel (+ Terminal) The old editor allows one to change the font size using Ctrl + Mouse Wheel. Including changing the font size of the output terminal: [2023-08-01 11_11_32-Grasshopper Python Script Editor] 7: No Editor Scrollbars This is probably not by design, but the editor has no scrollbars: [2023-08-01 12_15_11-Grasshopper - unnamed] I’ve also noticed more functional issues, but perhaps that’s best left for another topic/place. How do you prefer us logging this feedback by the way? Thanks and best, Anders

I’m not a heavy Rhinoscript user and essentially unfamiliar with Grasshopper, but my 30,000 ft view is that it is completely absurd and almost irresponsible to have two different editors for what is essentially the same thing in the Rhino ecosystem. What am I missing?

[image] AlW: What am I missing? My understanding is that this new Script component (which can run both C#, IronPython and CPython) is meant to replace the current C# and GHPython (i.e. IronPython) scripting components at some point.

Got it. Thanks. BTW, what’s wrong with basing it on the open source industry standard and well liked VS studio?

@AndersDeleuran 1: Wasted Screen Space + Visually Busy/Cluttered The new script editor allows debugging in Grasshopper. It means that you can step into a function that is in a separate file and editor would open that file showing the new tab. RH-76128 Maybe hide tab bar when no code is shown in embedded script editor window The toolbar at the top is there to show debug controls and for visual consistensy so the editor window is immediately recognizable. 2: Clunky/Wasteful Language Indicator One is on the component, so it is clear which language the component is using since this is a multi-language component. RH-76129 Remove Redundant language information from window title bar 3: Keyboard Shortcuts RH-76130 Use F5 to run script in editor instead of Ctrl+R 4: Syntax Highlighting RH-76131 Syntax highlighting of python strings might need improvements especially fstrings 5: Duplicate Highlighting RH-76132 Highlight text matching selected in the editor 6: Font Sizing Using Mouse Wheel (+ Terminal) RH-75779 Adjusting font sizes in the CodeEditor 7: No Editor Scrollbars RH-76133 Show vertical scroll bar when minimap is turned off

Thanks so much for logging these @eirannejad. A couple of quick follow-ups/elaborations: [image] Ehsan Iran-Nejad: The new script editor allows debugging in Grasshopper. It means that you can step into a function that is in a separate file and editor would open that file showing the new tab. That’s really cool. Does it work yet? If so, is there any documentation/examples of how to use it? [image] Ehsan Iran-Nejad: The toolbar at the top is there to show debug controls and for visual consistensy so the editor window is immediately recognizable. I understand and appreciate that. It just takes up an awful lot of of space and is quite visually distracting compared to the current GHPython editor. Especially if one does not intend to use these buttons: I run a pretty GUI minimal Rhino/Grasshopper setup, relying on typing commands and using keyboard shortcuts. A typical situation looks like this, where I will have several GHPython components open at the same time: [2023-08-02 09_44_14-] So any waste of screen real estate and unnecessary visual clutter is kind of a big deal for me (especially since dealing with Long Covid/brain fogginess). And I would very much like to reiterate the request to make the top and left button toolbars hideable. Just like one can hide toolbars in Rhino and Grasshopper as per my screenshot above. Failing that, perhaps consider reorganising and trimming the GUI elements a bit to make it more like the current GHPython component. Here’s a quick mockup implementing suggestions made in my original post: [230802_ScriptEditor_Rhino8_MockUp_Deleuran_00] [image] Ehsan Iran-Nejad: One is on the component, so it is clear which language the component is using since this is a multi-language component. Again I understand, but it takes up a lot of screen space (and is subjectively inelegant/odd). Especially for components with little or no inputs/outputs. Also the textual information is clipped with short/no parameter names: [2023-08-02 10_01_34-Grasshopper - unnamed] And the language information may be provided with simpler/less intrusive means (e.g. switch icons/name/nick): [2023-08-02 10_22_35-Grasshopper - 230802_ScriptEditor_LanguageIndicationMockup_00_] 230802_ScriptEditor_LanguageIndicationMockup_00.gh (7.4 KB)

[image] AndersDeleuran: And the language information may be provided with simpler/less intrusive means (e.g. switch icons/name/nick): :+1:

@AndersDeleuran @Helvetosaur Thanks for the suggestions. I agree it is still rough around the edges. I’m working on finishing up the last “feature” in the editor and should be able to jump back on these issues very soon. I have logged this issue related to the comments here, alongside the ones added above: Remove the language label and use language icon on the component We’ll get there soon. Please keep the requests and comments comming about anything that feels like a regression, etc. The goal is to make this feel as close as possible to the older script editor, and yet provide loads of new goodies

@AndersDeleuran Debugging in the editor is pretty straighforward. in Rhino or in GH, throw a breakpoint somewhere in your script. The buttons will change to debug buttons. Run from the button or from GH, and the script should stop at the breakpoint. Debugging panels below the editor show variables and callstack. Let me know how is the experience

[image] Ehsan Iran-Nejad: Let me know how is the experience… Cheers Ehsan. I can’t seem to set breakpoints in IronPython mode. Is this known/by design?

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AndersDeleuran August 1, 2023, 1:04pm 5

I’d recommend asking general questions about the new Script editor project here. This topic was specifically meant to highlight design regressions from the current GHPython component.

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