[R8 GLITCH] Psychedelic toolbar

Main command toolbar glitches a lot.
Would it be possible to have a less-psychedelic interface?

I am having the same issue with the user interface, plus some of the tooltips remain on the screen after the command has finished.

It seems like a small group of people are having various display/interface glitches with Mac Rhino and other people with more or less the same machines are not.

In Windows Rhino we usually manage to track down the problem to video card/drivers or some plug-in, but I have no idea how to track something like that down on the Mac side. If McNeel can’t reproduce it on one of their machines consistently, I don’t know how they will figure out under what circumstances this happens.

I am sorry that this is happening and I can understand your personal frustration with this ‘black-box’ kind of problem, where nobody else understands what you are experiencing.

What are you talking about??

  1. I just reported the issue, what to you know about who and how many people are experiencing this issue??

  2. Nobody cares if you are sorry, nor needs your “comprehension”.
    We are talking about a software bug, not about my father’s cancer diagnosis.
    Keep you emotions for real life.

OK, fine, I’m done trying to test any of your reported bugs, good luck.

Things went from 0 to 100 real quick…

For example, please attach here the result of SystemInfo.
A video alone isn’tenough.


Rhino 8 SR4 2024-2-13 (Rhino 8, 8.4.24044.15002, Git hash:master @ 5d3f86ffffae3c2ed84d21147c008b3907a40a2e)
License type: Commercial, build 2024-02-13
License details: Cloud Zoo

Apple macOS Version 12.7.2 (Build 21G1974) (Physical RAM: 16GB)
Mac Model Identifier: MacBookPro18,3
Language: en
.NET 7.0.0

Metal GPU Family Apple 7
Metal GPU Family Common 3
Metal GPU Family Mac 2
Graphics processors
Apple M1 Pro
Color LCD (1512 x 982 @ 120.00Hz)

USB devices

Bluetooth devices

Third party kernel extensions

Third party plugins

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhMaterialEditor.framework “Renderer Development Kit” 8.4.24044.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.4.24044.15002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots” 8.4.24044.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.4.24044.15002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RDK_EtoUI.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.4.24044.15002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.4.24044.15002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.4.24044.15002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.4.24044.15002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools” 8.4.24044.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/Displacement.rhp “Displacement” 8.4.24044.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/PlugIns/PanelingTools.rhp “PanelingTools” 8.4.24044.1002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/RhinoDLR_Python.rhp “IronPython” 8.4.24044.15002
/Applications/Rhino 8.app/Contents/Frameworks/RhCore.framework/Resources/ManagedPlugIns/GrasshopperPlugin.rhp “Grasshopper” 8.4.24044.15002

I see this as well, thanks for reporting
RH-80408 side toolbar is flickering

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Thanks, incredible!

Out of curiosity, is there a reason why you haven’t updated yet to MacOS Sonoma (14) and you’re still on Monterey (12)?

There are two:

  1. To prevent headaches.
    My primary working tool is Logic Pro – with a fair amount of 3rd-party plugins and computer-driven hardware. Some companies are very slow in updating their drivers and softwares, and experience has taught me that updating an OS can be very painful in the audio world.

  2. Because post-Jobs/Ive Apple sucks very hard.
    The more MacOS goes forward, the more computers are transformed in magnified iPhones.
    I need an operational tool for working, not a platform to send emojis and FaceTime my woke friends.

This is actually a very hard debate that I have internally.
I’d like to abandon the Apple ship. But I see no good alternatives that works for me.
Working on a Windows machine is not an option for me:
– i never touched another OS in my entire life. I know MacOS deeply well, I’d have a very hard time with a different and non-Unix based OS
– the aesthetics of PCs depresses me. They are like the American version of an Italian meal. Those machines are designed for people that buy clothes from Zara. Full stop.
– I dislike Apple, but I can’t stand Microsoft

Having Rhino, Logic + my plugins and the drivers of all my hardware, Adobe CS working on a Linux OS, would be the dream.
Until then (never), I have to clench my butt and go for the least worst option.


I think @Helvetosaur was actually sympathizing with you here:

because when we post on the forums and don’t get much of a response, we feel like we must be the only ones with the problem (which sucks at the moment), when it’s far likelier that any problem is more common somewhere around the world than the number of posts that actually make it to this forum.

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Again: what’s the point of sympathising on this forum, when reporting a bug?

Directly, probably no point. But indirectly, I take it as a suggestion that you’re probably not the only one in the world with the issue you’re reporting, so you’re not alone and it’s worth taking the time to post about it. That’s how I see it anyway.

Some problems get noticed and fixed soon, some take over 10 years to get much attention paid to them and they linger forever. Kinda drives me nuts that I find myself spending time on the forum at all, but the upside is there’s a bunch of users who actively volunteer some brilliant contributions.

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That’s a tough situation to be in.

I believe @dan has somewhere a machine with Monterey on it, perhaps he can try reproducing some of the other bugs you are seeing on that.


Honestly I like Linux best - just last night I made one of my laptops a Linux laptop only, removed Windows completely :joy: I’m now VNC’ing into my other machines to do development work.

With respect to PC aesthetics, I am a programmer looking more at my screen than at my box. And I like to build my own boxes. My current main box is one with a custom liquid cooling loop. I don’t think my PC qualifies as good looking with it laying on its side open to the air, but it is great for developing, using Rhino and gaming.

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Of course, we don’t have the same relationship to machines, nor the same expectations – it would be a problem!

Not sure that this is going to help now.

This slipped off my radar and I’m just getting back to this. I just tested:

RH-80408 Command toolbar is flickering

on macOS Monterey, Ventura, and Sonoma (all with the same 8.6 build). I suspect this is a performance issue that get progressively less pronounced with each macOS version…because I could reproduce it in each version; it was just very easy to notice on Monterey.