Icons in toolbars in Rhino 8 are no longer as crisp as those in Rhino 7

Since I’ve been forced to create an account to use Rhino now, I might as well use the account here and post some questions.

Rhino user since v3.

This version is using new resizable toolbar icons that are presumably being scaled down from larger assets. Compared to Rhino 7, on the same PC, at smaller sizes, they are fuzzier. I don’t know what the native resolution of the images are, but the new rendering is much harder on the eyes than v7. I’ve tried several different settings for the toolbar icon sizes, but they are all pretty bad like this.

My screen is 125% DPI 5k screen and I am running Windows 11. I don’t think this is a DPI awareness issue (although it appears just like one), though, because most text renders just fine. It’s only the toolbar icons.

Rhino 7 in front of Rhino 8. I’ve tried several different icon sizes in settings but they all look pretty bad.

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At button size 20 (v8 on the left, v7 on the right)

At size 19, which is close, but still hard on the eyes.

At size 16 (which is too small)

I tried all the others in-between, but will spare you the screen shots.

Any way to get them to snap back to the old pixel-perfect icons, or has that train left the station?

Pete

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That train has indeed left the station, the V8 icons are no longer raster images, but vector files (.svg).

While theoretically infinitely scalable, they have to be converted back to bitmaps at some point to display onscreen. At some icon sizes and display resolutions/scaling they can look fuzzier. In any case they are somewhat “bolder” than the former bitmaps, whether that’s by design or not, I don’t know.

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@Pete_Brown can you run _SystemInfo in Rhino 8 and post back the results?
In Rhino 7, what’s the size of the icons you are using? Small, Medium or Large?

What’s the physical size of the screen?

Rhino 8 SR4 2024-2-13 (Rhino 8, 8.4.24044.15001, Git hash:master @ 5d3f86ffffae3c2ed84d21147c008b3907a40a2e)
License type: Commercial, build 2024-02-13
License details: Stand-Alone

Windows 11 (10.0.26063 SR0.0) or greater (Physical RAM: 64GB)
.NET 7.0.16

Computer platform: DESKTOP

Standard graphics configuration.
Primary display and OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER (NVidia) Memory: 8GB, Driver date: 9-12-2023 (M-D-Y). OpenGL Ver: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 537.42
> Accelerated graphics device with 4 adapter port(s)
- Windows Main Display attached to adapter port #0
- Secondary monitor attached to adapter port #1

OpenGL Settings
Safe mode: Off
Use accelerated hardware modes: On
Redraw scene when viewports are exposed: On
Graphics level being used: OpenGL 4.6 (primary GPU’s maximum)

Anti-alias mode: 4x
Mip Map Filtering: Linear
Anisotropic Filtering Mode: High

Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation
Render version: 4.6
Shading Language: 4.60 NVIDIA
Driver Date: 9-12-2023
Driver Version: 31.0.15.3742
Maximum Texture size: 32768 x 32768
Z-Buffer depth: 24 bits
Maximum Viewport size: 32768 x 32768
Total Video Memory: 8 GB

Rhino plugins that do not ship with Rhino

Rhino plugins that ship with Rhino
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Commands.rhp “Commands” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk.rhp “Renderer Development Kit”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoRenderCycles.rhp “Rhino Render” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\rdk_etoui.rhp “RDK_EtoUI” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\NamedSnapshots.rhp “Snapshots”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\MeshCommands.rhp “MeshCommands” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCycles.rhp “RhinoCycles” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\RhinoCode\RhinoCodePlugin.rhp “RhinoCodePlugin” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Toolbars\Toolbars.rhp “Toolbars” 8.4.24044.15001
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\3dxrhino.rhp “3Dconnexion 3D Mouse”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\Displacement.rhp “Displacement”
C:\Program Files\Rhino 8\Plug-ins\SectionTools.rhp “SectionTools”

Bummer. Thanks.

They look a bit better in the new dark mode (a feature I was looking forward to anyway), although some of them really need to be re-colored to stand out better against that.

Pete

Yeah, I think that’s still a work-in-progress. Not a dark mode guy, so I can’t say anything from personal experience.

_SystemInfo posted above

Pixel size for the main display is 5120x2160, running at 125%
Physical size is a 40" curved ultra-wide screen Dell U4021QW

Pete

Forgot to include this: Rhino 7 icon size is set to Medium.

thanks @Pete_Brown
I logged RH-80641 Fuzzier icons at 125% scaling.

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Great, thanks :slight_smile:

Pete