I would rather not have AI on Rhino's Forum

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Currently, there is a corporate push to use AI to steal copyrighted material. I would rather not have any AI on this forum.

1.) I am against the creation of dynasties, oligarchies, and the centralization of wealth.
2.) The Rhino 3D I bought, I did not have to even consider that it might gather data.
3.) Wherever AI provides–it feeds.

Should Rhino become infected with AI, McNeel would likely lose one customer.

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Another meaningful feature for the Rhino discourse forum would be an option to completely hide posts from ignored users.

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That would be nice, Martin, that sure would be nice…

(uh there’s a joke in there somewhere.)

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Yes, unfortunately AI did not yet come up with a working solution to hide all content from ignored users.

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There is the Gordon Ramsay of the cad world then there is the brutal sarcasm one

Christ man😂

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The only thing I don’t like with ai here is when users post work and dont show whats done in Rhino and whats done with ai

It creates false advertising what the Rhino software can or cannot do.

Its done some cool stuff sure but personally i find it useless where is the fun in it? I put in some text or image and it does all the work for me? No thanks

CAD is like television, video games or reading a book for me i need to be entertained especially in times like these, my hobby exists or i will start throwing water on server rooms like al Pacino from Scarface powering these AI, the choice is theirs.

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*Smiles in terrorism

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Behind the scenes McNeel staff are actively removing posts and accounts that post only AI-generated content, typically to get a foothold on the forum in the hope to get a platform for spam.

If you see such posts, report them.

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We don’t

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I have long stated that one of Rhino’s strengths is the also the quality of this forum.

Does your off-topic comment strengthen or weaken the quality of this forum?

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Yes, and one of those qualities is that people are generally allowed to express their ideas whether or not they are completely on-topic or perhaps tangent without undue criticism.

As far as the various AI go, they are busily vaccuming up all that they can find on the internet and elsewhere, including these posts. There is very little anyone can do to stop them. Unfortunate fact of life in these “interesting times”.

I don’t think McNeel has any intention to start responding to posts here via some AI-powered bot, that is completely opposite of their company philosophy of having real human developers and support staff present in number on this forum.

That being said, I am sure that sooner or later (if not already), some forms of AI will be used in the creation and management of Rhino - whether it’s for automating administrative tasks, or (gulp) even writing code… One has to use the best tool for the job, and if AI is it, well then…

While I personally find the general idea of AI pretty awful and potentially dangerous, it is nothing compared to some of the real crazy humans running governments today and producing real, concrete, deadly human catastrophes. That scares me far, far more.

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So true…

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Deflection.

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If the AI helps us all get a resolution to our problems faster, shouldn’t we embrace it? Whenever the world breaches the horizon into new technologies, there will always be luddites saying we shouldn’t.

Let’s not be luddites.

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What is the most concerning is that no one has a plan when AI takes most jobs

We are already seeing this being played out and no one has a solution to it

Whats in it for the average Joe affected by it? Roll thumbs sitting at home collecting unemployment checks until those run out then have to live existential minimum with welfare? I’m not personally affected by it but I am jobless at the moment and it’s not fun in the long run I tell you that much, I don’t even get real interviews anymore it’s all ai controlled that decide if I go further in the process or not, cant have a car, cant own a house etc.. you are just there existing without having the ability to progress and build something

This is just anti human in the end just to make a buck and increase the division of wealth even further

Like all silly projects i predicted that went to absolute dog shit over here affecting everyone this technology will follow the same path and our living standards will decrease in quality.

And that mediocracy will be the new “normal” standard.

So some people may be Luddites and technology progress is cool but the concerns are justified for a reason.

Just a perspective on things.

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and when crazy humans misuse artificial intelligence, things get really dangerous.
I’ve used if for good things only.

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There are a lot of serious problems with “AI”. To name just a few:

  • Widespread use of AI will turn workers who needed specialized skills before into prompt engineers, which will make them easer to replace. Like the comment above, there is no plan what to do with AI actually replacing humans. This may lead to mass unemployment with serious consequences for quality of life for those affected.
  • LLMs are trained on stolen data, data which has been created by humans, human-made work. This is morally wrong. As long as AI is doing menial, boring repetitive work to free me to be creative that may be fine, but it looks like workers will need to be doing the menial boring and repetitive work in order for the AI to be creative. This is just wrong.
  • There are inherent biases in the data used to train AI, and there are numerous reports of AI being racist, mysoginistic, homophobic, transphobic, etc. This affects minorities like people of color and LGBTQIA+ and can lead to worse outcomes.
  • Running AI models uses an order of magnitude more energy, while training them is so expensive that only a few tech giants can afford to do that. This meas that, like bitcoin, this poses a serious threat to the climate. And no, AI won’t solve the climate crisis for us.
  • Learning while using AI has been shown to be much less effective than learning by using a search engine or you know, reading a book.
  • For me personally, I have tried a few times to generate some code that goes into the back-end of Rhino with AI. It never worked. The AI hallucinated code that was blatantly or subtly wrong, and every time I could have spent less time thinking the problem through, and writing the code myself.

So, to conclude I do not consider myself a luddite. At all. But I am very skeptical about AI and will personally not be using it any time soon.
Unfortunately, I also don’t see the problems listed above and others that I haven’t gone into being addressed by large tech companies pushing this so bullishly.

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I am generally an AI skeptic, especially when my (very nontechnical) clients propose we use AI for this and that.
For the most part I have seen connections to chatbots to help with grasshopper, coding or generative 3d models. I tried the generative models from various sources and they were not even close to being acceptable or saving any time.

However, I would be interested to see some novel applications of ML like mesh reconstruction, part identification, using training data to speed up GH scripts.

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Wonder why you’ve started that topic, if you don’t want to have any AI on this forum?

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I do not understand your statement.

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That was a question, not a statement.